Hi, I have just started playing again after a few years away from Hu play, and in particular Hu Hypers. I have noticed that there seems to have been a big shift in the strategy for these. When I used to play them, the general reg tendencies, was to min raise 75 - 100% of hands from SB.

After watching hundreds of games at the mid to high stakes, it seems most players are now limping probably about 50-70% of their range in SB at deep stacks ( deep for hypers )

Are my observations correct? and if so, any advice please on the frequencies and construction of these ranges.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

At some point, people noticed how bad a 75-100% minraise strategy is (compared to limping) vs opponents that aren't extremely overfolding (pre and/or post) and 3betting a lot and that is has a lot of merit to play pots with high SPR to utilize positional advantage from the SB.

Limping ranges vary a lot with Villain tendencies the only hand type that almost always prefers to limp is off-suited trash.

Hey,

Thanks for your reply man, really appreciate it. When I very first started playing online, I used to play a SB limp strategy, it just seemed to make more sense to me intuitively at the time, although I wasn't very good, and didn't know any theory to back it up.

Then of course I began to follow the heard mentality with the open min-raise.

So now I am playing again ( just started back with Hu hypers and spins ), I am trying to understand the theory behind limping from the SB this time around.

At the moment, through using tools like pio, hrc and crev, I am coming to the conclusion that it seems +ev ( not sure if max ev ) to be limping pre-flop value hands ( if there is such a thing ), with a certain frequency as well as using some of them for min-raise open, in order to be able to limp such a wide range, at such a high frequency.

In your opinion, does this sound about right to you? Although as you have stated, it is also vilain dependent too.

Many thanks.

Problem with too much minraising vs fish is that your edge can get drastically cut if you play against an aggressive fish with lots of shoves and 3bets.

Vs regs your vpip balanced is simply too low in minraise only spots among with some other issues. What type of hands to limp and raise is easy enough to find on the internet if u search a bit, takes away the work for you Off course it is important to understand why always, so your adjustments can be better.

Yeah thanks for that.

I am doing those searches. Also doing a lot of work with software. All of the programs seem to suggest mixed strategies with hands postflop, so it only makes sense I suppose, that pre would use mixed strats as well.

From what I can see, it is very hard to play against, because obviously it is heading towards completely balanced ranges.

Thanks for your input.

Also, I might be totally wrong on this, but I think of course it should be villain dependent, i.e whether you use a polar mixed strat or linear?

Been covered a bit here too, no specifics though.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...ypers-1435122/

Think this sort of strat would apply to spins also.

I believe Coffeeyay is a big advocate of the limping strat.

I bet he is. Every decent player will advocate limping bc it should be a part of your strategy. Meanwhile, we all know it's a big part of optimal play so it's a legit strategy to use. In the old day's people often sad they want to play big pots in position without considering that their edge decreases with lower spr's

partly true, against people who fold too much preflop vs a minraise its not such an effective strategy to limp everything though.