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08-17-2015 , 04:21 AM
    IPoker, 15/30 blinds No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37073329

    Hero (BB): 1,450 (48.3 bb)
    SB: 1,550 (51.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
    SB raises to 120, Hero calls 90

    Flop: (240) 7 4 Q (2 players)
    SB bets 120, Hero raises to 360, SB calls 240

    Turn: (960) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets 970 and is all-in, SB folds




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    vp 71 sb pfr 21 3bet 5.6

    in this spot how to take more value
    kq off oop top pair vs fish Quote
    08-17-2015 , 12:25 PM
    Ch call flop. Check raising only folds out his bluffs.
    kq off oop top pair vs fish Quote
    08-17-2015 , 10:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by this not a party
    Ch call flop. Check raising only folds out his bluffs.
    im in his camp sweet name to
    kq off oop top pair vs fish Quote
    08-19-2015 , 03:47 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by this not a party
    Ch call flop. Check raising only folds out his bluffs.
    Also vs a fish? Wouldn't he call with worse
    kq off oop top pair vs fish Quote
    08-19-2015 , 06:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by this not a party
    Ch call flop. Check raising only folds out his bluffs.
    Uh, no. Sometimes we can 3b KQ for value but another way to play it if you like to frequently raise flops is to call pre and raise flop for value when you hit. Villain will have plenty of worse Q's as well as 7's, 56 some 88-JJ, maybe sometimes 4x that doesn't fold and even some A high's.

    Calling flop is fine too but if you want to mix in plenty of flop raises it's almost mandatory you raise this hand for value.

    Anyway, only thing I dislike (sort of) is flop raise sizing. It's slightly on the large size and sets up awkward turn sizing spot. I'd make the flop raise something like 280. Plus it allows our bluffs in this spot to work for cheaper.
    kq off oop top pair vs fish Quote
    08-21-2015 , 09:11 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Uh, no. Sometimes we can 3b KQ for value but another way to play it if you like to frequently raise flops is to call pre and raise flop for value when you hit. Villain will have plenty of worse Q's as well as 7's, 56 some 88-JJ, maybe sometimes 4x that doesn't fold and even some A high's.

    Calling flop is fine too but if you want to mix in plenty of flop raises it's almost mandatory you raise this hand for value.

    Anyway, only thing I dislike (sort of) is flop raise sizing. It's slightly on the large size and sets up awkward turn sizing spot. I'd make the flop raise something like 280. Plus it allows our bluffs in this spot to work for cheaper.
    agree with everything said. and in this spot i am almost always calling, villaing 4x pre flop. unless he is openining like 75% btn with this sizing, then 3b is good. but if not, i am callint to 4x pre
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    08-22-2015 , 11:21 AM
    IF your going to go for value on this board, i go much smaller, to say 265. then also bet smaller on the turn, there is no need to shove.
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