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03-27-2017 , 05:25 AM

elbaneao

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 23

I've played my first 440 spins with a 37.7% ITM and a 36.5% evITM lol

My EV chips are 21.347 right now and I can't seem to go higher than 23.000

I'm playing 0.25€ in pokerstars Spain if anybody is wondering.

The thing is... I can't ****ing understand EV chips. How should I play so they increase? I don't care about anything else since I've been told that a decent evITM should be 38%

I don't understand how they work. Should I go all-in only with aces? lol Nah seriously, how the **** they work.

Sorry for the cursing but I'm so pissed, I've played 100 spins and I've only managed to decrease from a 37 ev ITM to a 36.5

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03-27-2017 , 05:50 AM

Duncelanas

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6,334

There's no special way to play to make your ev chips go up more or whatever. If you're playing well, you'll make chip ev. If you're not, you won't.

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03-27-2017 , 06:18 AM

coffeeyay

See my staking thread

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,536

The only difference between real chips and ev chips happens when you are in an all-in pot with cards to come--there ev chips give you your expectation value rather than the result. In all other places they are the same. So to increase your ev chips, yeah just play good.

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03-27-2017 , 02:58 PM

DJSirMatthew

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 253

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

But if ev chips are only a measure of how you play your all-in, isn't it limited then? Is there a combination of statistics you would recommend to get a better and more complete picture of your overall quality of play?

Currently playing 1$ spins @ close to 90 cEV, 7,5% roi and 40-41% itm (haven't imported evroi and evitm yet in PT4)...

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03-27-2017 , 03:26 PM

Duncelanas

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Originally Posted by DJSirMatthew

Chip EV is pretty much the best we've got. It's like the normal chip line except more accurate because of the changes in allin pots.

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03-27-2017 , 05:47 PM

teddybloat

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 420

"But if ev chips are only a measure of how you play your all-in"

it also tracks your non-all-in play too. it just that the EV line and actual $$ result line are the same in non-all-in pots.

even though it is the best measure we have, there is variance in the EV line. especially in spins. for example running bad in 3 handed spots can lead to fewer HU games where most of your cEV/game comes from. over short samples there may also be an uneven distribution of hands played in e.g. the BTN v BB postions 3 handed. Since you expect to be BE in the BB and have a higher bb/100 in the btn this can show up in the EV line. There are many similar effects in spins.

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