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02-25-2015 , 01:09 PM
I just started using icmizer to help create some heads up hyper strategies.

I am getting some strange results however and was wondering if someone can either spot my problem or tell me why these results are irrelevant.

I put a picture of my result in icmizer, which says that if btn opens around 70% 25 effective and then calls a8s, a9o, 44+ (not including 22, 33 in open range
), then bb can reshove 100% profitably.

It sounds a bit extreme, can someone maybe tell me why I get this result or why if the result is correct, people do not reshove 100%. If the answer to the last question is because flatting is more profitable, at what point is reshoving more profitable? For example icmizer results offer + chip value of each reshove, and hands like j6o is like +20 chips, i feel like that would be much higher than flatting expectation oop, though for some reason I think good hu hyper regs do not standard reshove j6o 25 bb oop, so if anyone understands why this is, itd be very much appreciated.

Thank you

below is picture:

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02-25-2015 , 01:26 PM
if you 3bet shove every hand, you get called wider. it's pretty simple.
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02-25-2015 , 02:50 PM
Well in your example the SB is calling extremely tight for a 70% mr range, asuming he wants to not be too exploitable by 3bshoving you should add more hands especially suited broadways.

The chart only means that 3bshoving is X better than folding by the way, doesnt mean that its better than for example, flatting.
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02-25-2015 , 02:51 PM
ok so in these conditions it is in fact plus ev to reshove atc?
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02-25-2015 , 02:58 PM
ok but you have to admit making 20 chips oop w J6o as a reshove is pretty amazing, I mean when you flat you arent even trying to profit w j6o prob, ur just trying to do better than losing ur bb, but reshoving u actually profit 20 chips, thats remarkable. Also say for ex, I am the mr person and I mr 70% and only call 12, and the bb is only reshoving 28% for ex, obv in this scenario my 70% mr is amazing, I shud mr 100 right?

How do I know or figure out where this line is? At what point % wise or other does my opponent discourage certain hands in my range from mr or even being limped, or better question is how I go about solving this?

Thanks so much for the responses so far, very helpful
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02-25-2015 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by newhuhyper
ok but you have to admit making 20 chips oop w J6o as a reshove is pretty amazing, I mean when you flat you arent even trying to profit w j6o prob, ur just trying to do better than losing ur bb, but reshoving u actually profit 20 chips, thats remarkable.
same goes for 3bet jamming, its compared to folding, so you would be +0 chips without blinds, but still thats very good, but in reality this wont work, if you jam everything thats better than flat, villain will adjust, either calling wider or minraising fewer hands because your 3bet jam range would be very big.
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02-25-2015 , 03:46 PM
ok but to start a match vs a person u know is reg for ex and likely raising at least 60%+, we shud start out reshoving very wide u thinnk?
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02-25-2015 , 04:00 PM
ok so after fooling with this a bit, based on reshove rangesi tend to see people play w, i found that if a button opens 50% and calls 19% which is 44+, a5o, a4s, kts, qjs, kjo, then the bb can only reshove 22%.

Is this close to what stats better higher stakes players will have? does anyone know? I cant explain why I think this would be the case just feel like it would be based on this icmizer results
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