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10-22-2009 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Insane_Steve
Hahaha you're at like the same BI level as I am 6 months after you took lessons from me. Amazing.

(moving to 55s again soon though, not rolled THAT well for it, but I'm going to channel my inner Rex Grossman here, unleash the ****ing dragon)
if you were going grossman you'd be playing at least a 2k.

never gets old

don't forget this
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10-22-2009 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
You're welcome. With all due respect, sir, I find it extremely hard to believe you have played "millions and millions of hands" given that it took you over a month to get not even 100 of these heads-ups tournaments under your belt.

"Millions and millions." That would be 4 million at least, if you want to be exact about it. If you 4-tabled at 60 hands per hour on each table for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, it would take you EIGHT YEARS to have played "millions and millions" of hands. 2-tabling is 16 years, 1-tabling is 32 years. So I don't know your experience if it was brick and mortar (25 Hph), home game (25Hph), or online (60Hphpt), but it would have to have been online and were talking like heavy duty full time-ish multitabling since the early days when Chris Moneymaker was playing sattelites from his home computer.
I 12-table 20 hours a week and have been playing for 8 year. However, earlier years I only 4 or 8 table. The math below is solid approximation

12 x 60hand / hr x 20 hrs / week x 50 weeks / year x 4 year = 2880k hands.
8 x 60 hand / hr x 20 hrs / week x 50 weeks / year x 2 year = 960k hands.
4 x 60 hand / hr x 20 hrs / week x 50 weeks / year x 2 year = 480k

My PT has 3.4 million CASH hands. So, yes if you translates millions and millions to 4 million, then I stand corrected. Sorry.

Last edited by pythagoras345; 10-22-2009 at 08:08 PM.
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10-22-2009 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pythagoras345
Again I am misunderstood. I believe that FT is equal in the long run. But it uses a computer random generator. By definition a computer random generator can not be perfectly random. So I was just asking for real-life experiences that either matched or did not match the mathematics that is based on pure randomness of every event. (Which is different from long-term equality)
If FT random number generator isn't random then nothing is.
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10-22-2009 , 07:56 PM
guys, i just won 13 in a row. clearly 90.46 roi must be sustainable correct? i mean, i could have won faster if i didn't misplay some hands.
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10-22-2009 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Pulaski
guys, i just won 13 in a row. clearly 90.46 roi must be sustainable correct? i mean, i could have won faster if i didn't misplay some hands.
+1

pythagoras, i don't mean to be rude by why don't you stfu and just play more games and find out for sure? you're fishing for "wow you're good!" and "sustainable imo." or some other stupid comments

fwiw i suck at poker and i understand you need to gtfo
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10-22-2009 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pythagoras345
I 12-table 20 hours a week and have been playing for 8 year. However, earlier years I only 4 or 8 table. The math below is solid approximation

12 x 60hand / hr x 20 hrs / week x 50 weeks / year x 4 year = 288k hands.
8 x 60 hand / hr x 20 hrs / week x 50 weeks / year x 2 year = 960k hands.
4 x 60 hand / hr x 20 hrs / week x 50 weeks / year x 2 year = 480k

My PT has 3.4 million CASH hands. So, yes if you translates millions and millions to 4 million, then I stand corrected. Sorry.
Damn, nice. What stakes do you play at? And this is FR, right?
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10-22-2009 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
what i am saying is that the majority of players don't pick up on these things and a player would need you to do something several times to infer a pattern and then you would need a period of time to ensure that he has seen said pattern and to exploit it.

Setting people up takes time, and history, and it will work once versus a good player and probably cost you $$ in actually setting it up.
I understand. Based on my first post that responded, the more important winning trick is not the set up of the good villian, as you are right this happens less often. The key point, which happens every match is determining the optimal ev raise for a given opponent.

You have to find out at the first blind structure or two how your opponent reacts to the different raise sizes. Mostly, do they treat the 2.5bb raise like a 2.0 bb raise or a 3.0bb based on call / fold / re-raise percentages? If they fold to 2.5bb the same as 3bb, then you save .50 bb at the 30 / 60 level for every steal attempt. But if they call 2.5bb the same as 2.0bb, then you get an extra .5 bb per value raise. This information can be worth 300 – 400 chips through the mid blind levels before the push fest.
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10-22-2009 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pythagoras345
So yes, if I have a similar 100 in the future, I think it could be 35+%.
Good luck with that.

But think about this:

I doubt there not a single regular in this forum with any significant number of games under their belt who wouldn't snapcall a prop bet about you maintaining even a 20% ROI over 1k games at any stakes higher than 10s or 20s (where it *might* be possible, with good game selection), much less 35%.

And 100 games is next to nothing as far as sample sizes go.
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10-22-2009 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Micky08
I'd go crazy with 10 minute blinds...
I'd also go crazy but having a consistant 22% RIO at the 50s keeps you sane.
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10-22-2009 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ac on
Damn, nice. What stakes do you play at? And this is FR, right?
FR? You mean FT?

Early years party, middle years party and stars, late years stars and FT

I invested $250, so started at .10/25, then 25/50, solid 4 years at 50/1, last 3at 1/2.

Was planning on going to 2/4 Jan 1, but now I gonna play these HU tournies the rest of this year and revaluate.
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10-22-2009 , 08:22 PM
No, I mean "full ring". NLHE, even in the beginning?
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10-22-2009 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TNixon
Good luck with that.

But think about this:

I doubt there not a single regular in this forum with any significant number of games under their belt who wouldn't snapcall a prop bet about you maintaining even a 20% ROI over 1k games at any stakes higher than 10s or 20s (where it *might* be possible, with good game selection), much less 35%.

And 100 games is next to nothing as far as sample sizes go.
1. I would not take that bet. I can do a sharkscope search. I understand only a handfull of players hit 20% ROI long-term.

2. Where in my quote or any post did I say I could sustain 35%. I said I think I could have a 100 tourney run where I hit 35%, that is 71 - 29. I just went 69-31 in my first 100, so it a resonable comment.

3. I will snap call anyone that wants to offer me that bet. If I have any 100 tournies in a row and go 71-39, you pay up. If I never do it, then I will pay up. Takers please line up. From $50 to $5000 will be accepted instantly.
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10-22-2009 , 08:29 PM
this thread has been getting somewhat spammy good times
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10-22-2009 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pythagoras345
1. I would not take that bet. I can do a sharkscope search. I understand only a handfull of players hit 20% ROI long-term.

2. Where in my quote or any post did I say I could sustain 35%. I said I think I could have a 100 tourney run where I hit 35%, that is 71 - 29. I just went 69-31 in my first 100, so it a resonable comment.

3. I will snap call anyone that wants to offer me that bet. If I have any 100 tournies in a row and go 71-39, you pay up. If I never do it, then I will pay up. Takers please line up. From $50 to $5000 will be accepted instantly.
he said 1k games ...NOT 100
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10-22-2009 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ac on
No, I mean "full ring". NLHE, even in the beginning?
Yep, full ringer NLH my whole internet life. 95% of all poker on-line poker played. Other 5%, just change of pace and small variety of MTT, SNG, 6-handed NLH, 6-handed Omaha.
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10-22-2009 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LiarsDice
he said 1k games ...NOT 100
Thanks for making my point Liars. I claimed I could do it over 100, he calls bull-**** and offers a bet that I can't do it over 1000, which is not what I claimed.
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10-22-2009 , 08:37 PM
Neat. How was the initial adjustment from FR to HU? I figured that it would be difficult since I figured that one could beat FR by just playing tight and letting the fish go too far, since the blinds wouldn't come around fast enough to bother you. Is this the case or do you think the 200NL games are hyper competitive nowadays, too?
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10-22-2009 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pythagoras345
3. I will snap call anyone that wants to offer me that bet. If I have any 100 tournies in a row and go 71-39, you pay up. If I never do it, then I will pay up. Takers please line up. From $50 to $5000 will be accepted instantly.
$500 that you can't go 71-29 in your next 100 games.
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10-22-2009 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DopeyMcDope
$500 that you can't go 71-29 in your next 100 games.
I'm in for 500 too

or lets do this. i'll put 500 that you can't do this within the next 500 games. I would go longer but I dont want to wait for a decade
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10-22-2009 , 08:43 PM
Too much strat...need more HU4ROLLZ!!
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10-22-2009 , 08:44 PM
I'll buy the rest of the action if it's the next 100 games. I would want to escrow though and there would be some conditions ldo, like can't play them at $2 level etc etc
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10-22-2009 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by All_or_Nothing
I'll buy the rest of the action if it's the next 100 games. I would want to escrow though and there would be some conditions ldo, like can't play them at $2 level etc etc
I'm interested if you're talking about next 100 games at 71-29 as well.
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10-22-2009 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pythagoras345
2. Where in my quote or any post did I say I could sustain 35%. I said I think I could have a 100 tourney run where I hit 35%, that is 71 - 29. I just went 69-31 in my first 100, so it a resonable comment.
I won't argue that's certainly possible.

When the rest of us do that though, we realize we're running hot, and don't try to suggest that we could sustain it for any reasonable amount of time, or even that it would be a frequent occurence, like you did.
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10-22-2009 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DopeyMcDope
$500 that you can't go 71-29 in your next 100 games.
WOW, you guys are masters at putting words in mouths, changing subject and then trying to make a bet. My original comment was simple.

I BELIEVE I CAN HAVE A 100 TOURNEY RUN WITH 35% ROI OR A RECORD OF 71-29!

I did NOT say, i could do it over 1000 hands.
I did NOT say, the next 100.

I DID SAY I WILL DO IT. SO IF YOU WANT TO CALL ME OUT, THEN BET ME ON MY WORDS, NOT YOURS!
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10-22-2009 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pythagoras345
WOW, you guys are masters at putting words in mouths, changing subject and then trying to make a bet. My original comment was simple.

I BELIEVE I CAN HAVE A 100 TOURNEY RUN WITH 35% ROI OR A RECORD OF 71-29!

I did NOT say, i could do it over 1000 hands.
I did NOT say, the next 100.

I DID SAY I WILL DO IT. SO IF YOU WANT TO CALL ME OUT, THEN BET ME ON MY WORDS, NOT YOURS!
Am i missing something?

Who the *** can't win 71 games out of 1oo? everybody will go on streaks like that over 100 games (but taken over a big sample), even fish can do that....

What a waste of time lol
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