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12-03-2010 , 11:31 AM

ItTollsForThee

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 790

Notes on villain - has had a pretty tight game up until now but has tried to steal pots on the river a few times (folded to a re-raise).

Has donked out on flop before but only for pot and only once. Folded to a raise. Otherwise he's been c/calling flop, betting turn a lot.

Poker Stars, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 30/60 Blinds, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 2,340
Hero (BTN): 3,660

Pre-Flop: (90) A

dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero raises to 120, BB calls 60

Flop: (240) T

(2 Players)
BB bets 660, Hero ???

I nearly always ship flop, but this particular villain has been passive with draws all match. If I call and he pushes the turn himself, do I call? What if he bets 300 - 700?

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12-03-2010 , 11:40 AM

Theo_Tap

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 42

He can do this with al kind of hands. I dont think his hand is very strong cause he donks in to you, and overbet the pot, so normally when you have a strong hand you want some chips in you decide to checkraise cause this boards also hits a range you can have. When I am facing a donkbet like this I will snap shove it, Is see him do this with a weak ten, maybe a 9 butalso 88 or 77 and a lot of draws so I will make a Happy dance and shove it, and when he has a draw keep youre fingers crossed.

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12-03-2010 , 11:42 AM

ohly

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,696

you really need to be excited about shoving flop

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12-03-2010 , 12:02 PM

Almito

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 969

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Originally Posted by ItTollsForThee

If I call and he pushes the turn himself, do I call? What if he bets 300 - 700?

1) Yes;
2) push (villain is way too committed to fold weaker hands at that point).

Not THAT excited because he probably never has complete air here, but AA is just too strong to fold.

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12-03-2010 , 02:52 PM

MrGeros

banned

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 156

at this point with such a hand,i ship it all day long even against the king of nits

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12-03-2010 , 04:29 PM

pokerfun666

adept

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,042

why the f did u call ?
His overbet shows weakness , a strong hand bets small for you to call cuz is not afraid of draws.

I say he must have a FD + 2 overs , so he bets big to add some fold equity to his hand.
Or top pair good kicker. 2 pairs or trips it is enough for a pot size bet (even smaller) but never overbet.

But why did u call ? 2 things can happen:
he gets another card that improves him and beats u - bad
he gets another card and it does not improve him , so he wont put any more cips in the pot.

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12-03-2010 , 05:39 PM

Quimp

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,130

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2 pairs or trips it is enough for a pot size bet (even smaller) but never overbet.

Not exactly true. Overbetting is an art and you don't need quads to drag the bar.

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12-03-2010 , 08:01 PM

Almito

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 969

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Originally Posted by pokerfun666

2 pairs or trips it is enough for a pot size bet (even smaller) but never overbet.

Nevar say nevaaaar

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12-03-2010 , 11:56 PM

Looo$eFckr

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 133

shove! if u think u are better player than villain and cards don´t matter to win... fold this one

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12-04-2010 , 12:21 AM

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jb514

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,837

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Originally Posted by Looo$eFckr

shove! if u think u are better player than villain and cards don´t matter to win... fold this one

If you are a better player, I think you should still shove. Folding is probably -ev.

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12-04-2010 , 01:40 AM

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rinkodo

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1

i would always shove this.....yes your probably up against a fd so the more cards he gets to see the worse for you, slow playing this hand will get you into trouble, by shoving you eliminate his chance of bluffing a possible straight if a q or 8 comes off and if he has a nice pp he will most likely fold or if he calls you collect......possible a larger raise of 2.5x bb would eliminate his hand

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12-04-2010 , 02:23 AM

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blitzilla

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 395

fist pumping shove all day long no matter what

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12-04-2010 , 03:38 AM

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Almito

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 969

All this shoving.. The spazz-inducing min-raise needs to get more love.

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12-04-2010 , 09:00 AM

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JSpazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,694

click it back or smth, I'm not flatting flop vs that overbet

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12-04-2010 , 11:25 AM

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ItTollsForThee

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 790

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Originally Posted by JSpazz

click it back or smth, I'm not flatting flop vs that overbet

I like this option best and calling turn. However in game I had a brainstorm and called then folded the turn push.

I also stoved it giving villain a range of sets, 2-pairs, flush draws w/ top pair and straight-flush draw and I'm still 58% to win.

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