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06-20-2017 , 04:23 PM
Hello Guys!
I just want to develope myself in GTO. Mainly playing Spins/Twister some MTTs.
I'm not really well rolled, but I don't know if it is a point of view.
In your opinion which is the best for me?
(Snowie? PIO? CREV? GTORB? any other?)
THX, T79
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06-20-2017 , 05:33 PM
You should start with 'Pokerstrategy Equilab'.Just google it and it's free.It is a tool/calculator for plugging hand rages into and you can save custom hand ranges to give yourself a good starting point on what to do in the different positions in spins/twisters.

I would suggest if you have very little funds to work with,to just use equilab and when you are used to the software and confident in your game,then you can look at buying some other software and maybe get some coaching too.
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06-21-2017 , 09:16 AM
TY Bilko!

Yeah, I have coached and I have Equilab.

I would like to have a closer friendship with GTO.

:-)
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06-22-2017 , 04:11 PM
PIO is most common for spins i think, dont listen to sgtbilko77 he cant even beat $3 spins
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06-22-2017 , 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdaviez
PIO is most common for spins i think, dont listen to sgtbilko77 he cant even beat $3 spins
We can compare Giraffe's if you like sir?
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06-22-2017 , 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtbilko77
We can compare Giraffe's if you like sir?
i dont need to measure dicks, im just trolling because you have me **** at the table for no reason

but while we are on the subject of GTO and your giving advice, you should realise your own mistakes....

https://gyazo.com/94c8991cd62ff9718916a27236de4f01

we played this hand and you wrote in chat "love it when idiots bet those flops with A high"

https://gyazo.com/ae001cbc38780ac302aa9b670837528a

seems like GTO likes betting A high so before giving advice on stuff maybe have a clue on it first
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06-22-2017 , 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdaviez

seems like GTO likes betting A high so before giving advice on stuff maybe have a clue on it first
Yeah, but you don´t play gto vs fish.
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06-22-2017 , 08:56 PM
Snowie is not GTO.

Pio is best for DIY study, GTORB has great resources for learning.

Also, @gdaviez you shouldn't brag post a hand that is so heavily misplayed (well in the context of this thread you shouldn't post any hands, it's clearly off-topic and borderline trolling in strat thread). Basically no street is wp. And posting a pre-flop model solution with only one bet size on flop does not help your case
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06-22-2017 , 09:41 PM
I have whole folder with Pio screenshots, in case someone goes off in chat, I immediately link him a picture. I think it's the most +EV action. Sometimes I am as polite as going into more details why exactly I deviate from GTO.

But enough offtopic. Pio, OP. Be careful though, it might turn into a curse in the wrong hands.
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06-23-2017 , 09:07 AM
Wow, what an honorable guest! xD

Coffee:
What is PIO, if not GTO?

Do you think that I can run my hands through the Snowie "debugger"?

Does the Snowie good for learning Spin?
http://www.husng.info/practice-your-...-poker-snowie/

Kobmish:
"I have whole folder with Pio screenshots"

Can you send me in email please? LOL

TY Guys!
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06-23-2017 , 10:31 AM
Bang, BANG.
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06-23-2017 , 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeeyay
Snowie is not GTO.

Pio is best for DIY study, GTORB has great resources for learning.

Also, @gdaviez you shouldn't brag post a hand that is so heavily misplayed (well in the context of this thread you shouldn't post any hands, it's clearly off-topic and borderline trolling in strat thread). Basically no street is wp. And posting a pre-flop model solution with only one bet size on flop does not help your case
haha tyty i dont claim to be a GTO bot but the guy attacked me at the table for no reason
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06-23-2017 , 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeeyay
Snowie is not GTO.

Pio is best for DIY study, GTORB has great resources for learning.

Also, @gdaviez you shouldn't brag post a hand that is so heavily misplayed (well in the context of this thread you shouldn't post any hands, it's clearly off-topic and borderline trolling in strat thread). Basically no street is wp. And posting a pre-flop model solution with only one bet size on flop does not help your case
https://gyazo.com/a625951cf51e8ddb28781b11335a3c96

can you help me out here im trying to figure out how i misplayed flop heavily
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06-23-2017 , 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdaviez
https://gyazo.com/a625951cf51e8ddb28781b11335a3c96

can you help me out here im trying to figure out how i misplayed flop heavily
No one said heavily :P but your play probably does not make that much sense in the context of population starting range (compared to GTO) and play vs bets. The next streets are worse.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesla79
Wow, what an honorable guest! xD

Coffee:
What is PIO, if not GTO?

Do you think that I can run my hands through the Snowie "debugger"?

Does the Snowie good for learning Spin?
http://www.husng.info/practice-your-...-poker-snowie/

Kobmish:
"I have whole folder with Pio screenshots"

Can you send me in email please? LOL

TY Guys!
Pio is GTO software. Snowie is just a specific bot--as far as I recall it's trained using neural networks, but that doesn't make it GTO. Really no one knows what Snowie is because they aren't open with anything about it--its exploitability, nash distance, really anything. Its just a computer player, like in a poker video game. In the past it had significant issues with short-stacks and with bet sizing allowed--not sure if it's still an issue. It's probably better than nothing, but that's not guaranteed.
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06-29-2017 , 03:23 AM
TY Coffeeyay!
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07-07-2017 , 06:00 PM
Hi guys,

i can't afford pio edge for the preflop solver.

there's another software to study gto preflop?

i use crev preflop equilibrium solver, but the gto range depends on the equity realization postflop.

ty all
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