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Old 01-28-2016, 06:38 AM   #1
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Accusation of bots in HUSNGs on PokerStars

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The $7 and $15 hyper Hu was flooding by lithuanian "regs". They are playing 5-6 tables, probably not using Sharky (on $15) and auto decline rematch request.
In my opinion they are "semi bots", based on population tendency, but the operator can chose between the offered action.
Despite the mass multi tabling they are never use time bank, they are never sitout, never answer the chat, and playing very balanced game.
I don't have enough hand for statistical proof, but if anybody have the similar suspicion please act together.
The suspicious nicks are: Gr****m, kl*******20, pa********as and Ap****as
(I censored the nicks because of presumption of innocence, but if you are reg on these limits, you probably know them.)

Anybody else have the same suspicion?
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Old 01-28-2016, 02:37 PM   #2
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Re: ***HU SNG REGS THREAD***

bots everywhere, amaya doesnt care for hu hypers anymore.
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Old 01-31-2016, 03:02 PM   #3
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Re: ***HU SNG REGS THREAD***

It is interesting for sure that there are several new Lithuanians to the $15 HUSNGs and that they are playing around 150-200 games per day. I'm not sure what to make of it - perhaps there is a new stable and they all grind together? They are taking time to make decisions so not immediately obvious that they would be bots. Worth monitoring for sure
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Old 01-31-2016, 03:32 PM   #4
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if u can program a bot to play very solid poker its probably not a big deal to make it "think" between 1 and 5 secs before each postflop decision or make it click deal-buttons.
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Old 02-05-2016, 12:23 AM   #5
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Re: Bots on hyper HU?

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Hi,

The $7 and $15 hyper Hu was flooding by lithuanian "regs". They are playing 5-6 tables, probably not using Sharky (on $15) and auto decline rematch request.
In my opinion they are "semi bots", based on population tendency, but the operator can chose between the offered action.
Despite the mass multi tabling they are never use time bank, they are never sitout, never answer the chat, and playing very balanced game.
I don't have enough hand for statistical proof, but if anybody have the similar suspicion please act together.
The suspicious nicks are: Gr****m, kl*******20, pa********as and Ap****as
(I censored the nicks because of presumption of innocence, but if you are reg on these limits, you probably know them.)

Anybody else have the same suspicion?
Yeah, it's pretty suspicious, never seen them before, already plays 5+ tables, profitable multitabling seems kind of skill which needs a development.
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Old 02-06-2016, 02:38 AM   #6
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Re: ***HU SNG REGS THREAD***

tbh i do not think Grahham, kleberson20, pajarskiukas and apapukas are bots. i agree that they never awnser to a chat flood and stuff, but they are in general too weak to be a bot.

i've just played 35 games vs kleberson20 and he's -15% evroi. the others haven't played more than 5 games each and they're breakeven/small winning.
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Old 02-06-2016, 07:18 AM   #7
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well, given the huge samplesize and the amazing winrate you were able to hold during all those games... case closed, no bots!
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Old 02-06-2016, 07:34 AM   #8
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well, given the huge samplesize and the amazing winrate you were able to hold during all those games... case closed, no bots!
lol i was just thinking if somebody made a bot, they would made him a good player. and i'm not talking about the samplesize and winrate. all the players that were list has huge leaks, so i might think they just are from a new stable in Lithuanian
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:03 AM   #9
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gto looks weird to lowstakes players.
i havent played them though, but pnog started at this level, everybody thought hes a fish and now it turns out hes using a bot and is super close to gto.

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Old 02-06-2016, 08:03 AM   #10
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I have the same suspicion. Pajarskiukas for example played 7.870 games in 16 days, oh come on... That's almost 500 games every day for more than 2 weeks. And yeah, none of them writes anything in the chat.
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:06 AM   #11
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gto looks weird to lowstakes players.
i havent played them though, but pong started at this level, everybody thought hes a fish and now it turns out hes using a bot and is super close to gto.
Funny, I just heard about this 2 days ago. I thought too, that he is a fish. But what do you mean by "hes using a bot"? A bot plays instead the guy, or he is using charts?
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:10 AM   #12
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Re: ***HU SNG REGS THREAD***

hes sitting in front of the computer and has some form of advice-software, only god knows how he does it. he tries very hard to cover his tracks though, using weird sizes, chatting when he's bored, but there's no doubt hes using illegal software
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:39 AM   #13
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hes sitting in front of the computer and has some form of advice-software, only god knows how he does it. he tries very hard to cover his tracks though, using weird sizes, chatting when he's bored, but there's no doubt hes using illegal software
Pff, not cool...
Btw, I watched the graph of Grahham, Kleberson20, Apapukas and pajarskiukas at sharkscope. It couldn't be more suspicious. Apapukas started playing this year, but the others played before as well. And what a surprise, there are lots of similarities.
They stopped playing briefly at 2014.10.13-2014.10.14.
They played again in november at the same time for 5-6 days.
They started playing seriously again this year, and they are crushing at 4-5 tables. Sure.
And you guys forgot to mention, but Arijaskaunas is another one of them, and the same applies for him too, considering dates, playing style, anything.
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:21 PM   #14
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Pff, not cool...
Btw, I watched the graph of Grahham, Kleberson20, Apapukas and pajarskiukas at sharkscope. It couldn't be more suspicious. Apapukas started playing this year, but the others played before as well. And what a surprise, there are lots of similarities.
They stopped playing briefly at 2014.10.13-2014.10.14.
They played again in november at the same time for 5-6 days.
They started playing seriously again this year, and they are crushing at 4-5 tables. Sure.
And you guys forgot to mention, but Arijaskaunas is another one of them, and the same applies for him too, considering dates, playing style, anything.
sick! i found another one that stopped playing in oct/14 and re-started this month again with sick volume. sn VanDalaz
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:30 PM   #15
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sick! i found another one that stopped playing in oct/14 and re-started this month again with sick volume. sn VanDalaz
Yeah, as I played today, I realized this too. And I'm not sure of it, but it's possible, that there are some others as well. This pattern is the most suspicious. I'm writing to PS probably.
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:32 PM   #16
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Yeah, as I played today, I realized this too. And I'm not sure of it, but it's possible, that there are some others as well. This pattern is the most suspicious. I'm writing to PS probably.

maybe sn: velninho and krai23 aren't the same group?

do it man! i'll do the same, writing for ps right now...
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:34 PM   #17
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maybe sn: velninho and krai23 aren't the same group?

do it man! i'll do the same, writing for ps right now...
Velninho is playing long ago and he writes in the chat. Krai23 is from Latvia, but he is a silent player too, I'm not sure about him.
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Old 02-06-2016, 02:08 PM   #18
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Re: ***HU SNG REGS THREAD***

Roughly a year ago, I played someone for ~150 games that I was fairly certain was a bot considering someone posted a pic of them playing like 40k games within 3-4 months.

I brought it up to Stars support and they said they'd look into it and eventually after I hassled them enough they kept denying any bot presence. After the last email, that account conveniently disappeared forever. Not only did they deny the existence, since they did, they of course would not offer any compensation.
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Old 02-06-2016, 02:11 PM   #19
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Re: ***HU SNG REGS THREAD***

What's so suspicious about someone playing their first game on 1/20/2016 and playing 450 games per day?
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Old 02-06-2016, 03:55 PM   #20
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What's so suspicious about someone playing their first game on 1/20/2016 and playing 450 games per day?
Lithuania is simply spawning prodigies.
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Old 02-06-2016, 04:21 PM   #21
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Recently (some months ago) some bots were banned from the 30s hypers. Stars didn't have enough evidence to confiscate funds, but they were banned nevertheless.
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Old 02-07-2016, 01:30 AM   #22
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maybe sn: velninho and krai23 aren't the same group?

do it man! i'll do the same, writing for ps right now...
Thank you for activity in this bot case Guys!
I already reported them, hopefully the PS gets enough reoports for take seriously this problem.
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Old 02-07-2016, 10:50 AM   #23
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Re: ***HU SNG REGS THREAD***

Hi, guys,

I have a little bit information about these guys, at least one of them - pajarskiukas.

I got his skype and i wrote him about the situation. He confirmed me, that he is playing HU hypers, and making ~500 games per day. Also he said that he is not a member of any staking/coaching groups and started to play hardly to this year after one year break. He don't know about the guys who were mentioned above and never saw any messages who text him in the chat because of 6 tabling.
The conversation has been completed cause he was going to start 2 hours session
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:06 AM   #24
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why tell them that they are under investigation?
who answers with "dang, u got me!" when you ask him on skype?
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:15 AM   #25
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Hi, guys,

I have a little bit information about these guys, at least one of them - pajarskiukas.

I got his skype and i wrote him about the situation. He confirmed me, that he is playing HU hypers, and making ~500 games per day. Also he said that he is not a member of any staking/coaching groups and started to play hardly to this year after one year break. He don't know about the guys who were mentioned above and never saw any messages who text him in the chat because of 6 tabling.
The conversation has been completed cause he was going to start 2 hours session
This makes it even more suspicious. No staking group, no history of playing big amounts of games before, no 5-6 tabling. But now, out of nowhere 8-10 new lithuanian faces show up, and they are all able to do 5-6 tables profitably for 2-500 games daily. And he doesn't know anything about the guys, who stopped playing exactly at the same time, and started crushing this year, just like him. Seems legit.
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