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01-21-2017 , 08:27 AM

ficilan

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BB: 33.67 BB (VPIP: 88.89, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (SB): 16.33 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 8

BB checks, Hero bets 1 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) 7

BB checks, Hero bets 2.33 BB, BB calls 2.33 BB

River: (8.67 BB, 2 players) K

BB checks, [color=red]

bet flop?
bet turn?
bluff here?, if so how much

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01-21-2017 , 10:29 AM

obbudsman

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Check flop, as played check turn, as played bet river

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01-21-2017 , 12:07 PM

Alladin

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Id say cbet is ok, as played bet turn slightly bigger, give up on the river. You dont have a lot of value hands otr (only straights) so cant bluff too much. I think villain fold 4x, 6x ott

Edit: this is ok combo to bluff river too with having no diamonds or showndown value. Cant bluff every missed draws though

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01-21-2017 , 12:34 PM

coffeeyay

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Originally Posted by obbudsman

Check flop, as played check turn, as played bet river

+1. Turn bet is less bad than the flop bet.

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01-21-2017 , 01:24 PM

Alladin

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As played flop,

doesnt it matter much that we have an oesd here to bluff ott? Which hands you like to bluff here or are you bluffing at all here vs random? Am I looking thigs wrong way when I bluff combos that get semi bluff value ott?

Thank you if you like to answer

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01-21-2017 , 04:15 PM

coffeeyay

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Having and oesd probably makes it marginally worse to bluff turn vs the population on this texture. DUCY? As for flop, I'd recommend looking at this texture in software like Flopzilla or Coffeecalcs vs a check-back range. I'd also recommend reviewing population tendencies on different textures in limped pots (focusing on x/r frequencies) using tracking software.

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01-22-2017 , 03:38 PM

Alladin

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

Having and oesd probably makes it marginally worse to bluff turn vs the population on this texture. DUCY?

I am not sure why. What I see is that villain still folds many better hands on turn and we have equity if villain calls with 9x for example..

But on the other hand when he calls 9x and we hit a straight we'll dont get value otr then because he folds his 9x otr. Is that the thing? So I should do semibluffs in chases when I'll get an another barrel when I hit

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01-22-2017 , 04:25 PM

coffeeyay

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There's two things you want to consider. First, where are your implied odds higher--if you check back and play river or if you bet and get called. Second, how often are you getting x/r? And what range x/r you? How high is the opportunity cost of getting x/r, vs checking back and playing vs his (would be) x/r range range on the river?

In a sense, how often villain folds (and what hands they fold) determines how good bluffing is. The two factors above help determine what the best bluffing hands are.

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01-23-2017 , 12:51 AM

Alladin

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Ty. Maybe here would be better to bluff flushdraws since they have higher implied odds when villain calls and it plays well vs. villains x/r range(mostly straights).

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