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man it is really annoying that the river is the K since now you chop with every 3...

That said, he should have AK, every 3 and possibly every A in his range on the river trying to push you off a chop.

No way I'm folding the river.

check raise on the flop and turn...

but too bad on the river....just fold it...to stay alive.

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11-09-2010 , 06:47 PM

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Nederlander

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how did this hand end

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11-10-2010 , 03:10 AM

#154

erdsah

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how did this hand end ?

he lost it to flush.... so obv.

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11-10-2010 , 11:56 AM

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Nederlander

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he clicked fold imo

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11-10-2010 , 12:21 PM

#156

spamz

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Originally Posted by erdsah

he lost it to flush.... so obv.

Given your postcount I assume you're not leveling but just a ******.

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Originally Posted by Nederlander

he clicked fold imo

I'm a station when confused.

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11-10-2010 , 12:54 PM

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BarryLyndon

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On the board that you c/ced with T8cc all the way down, what was his bet sizing?

This doesn't look as valuey as many have said. I don't think he can put a lot of 3s in your range and from the way you have played you don't have flushes / 54 here; so he has to be putting you on Ax a very high % of the time. All things considered, if he's a thinking player - looks like he is - he could be doing this with all his aces trying to avoid a split pot. You beat all his aces, so call.

Barry

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11-10-2010 , 12:57 PM

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spamz

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Sizing in T8 hand was standard really, though I remember rereading this thread once and not realizing to have not posted stacksizes there which change things a bit because some people assumed that he overbetjammed river which wasn't the case. Flop half pot, turn 2/3 or something and river jam for somewhere between 70% and 90% pot I guess.

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11-10-2010 , 07:44 PM

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spamz

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Originally Posted by Arsenal Gunners

better explanation: villain shoved the QJ vs.T8 hand thinking we have no 9's in our range, but we didn't see any 9's in their range so they aren't thinking on that level--they should see 3x and flushes mostly in our range, not A7 for example after we call turn

Idk how I missed this but replying now.
In the QJ vs T8 hand both our ranges were fairly wide and strong and included straights as well as flushes if you ask me.
And I'm pretty sure I call Ax again on turn here, expecting him to shut down river a decent enough % of the time with his (semi-)bluffs.

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11-10-2010 , 08:30 PM

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badboyboogie0

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what i huge thread, i missed it...

anyway, imo call river, there seems to be an aggro game dynamic crescendo.

and since villain has been caught 3 barreling as a bluff on a 4 to a straight board, he's probably also capable to 3 barrel light for value on this paired board, like any Ax

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11-11-2010 , 11:29 AM

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avman

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I think this depends on what he views c/c range to be as opposed to c/r range. If I had been c/r-ing my nut-hands then I think he is more likely to be triple barreling as a bluff or with an Ax to get out of a chop, or be value betting thinner with 3x. But if he views c/c to be strong then I would fold.

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01-17-2011 , 04:32 PM

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SuperRu

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I'm a cash player who transitioned to HU sngs and I'd bet his double barrel range on the turn is much tighter than most of you perceive. I don't doubt he'd bet this river with some sort of bluff or Ax sometimes but its unlikely that he has either by the time he gets there.

It's probably a fold but It'd be impossible for me to make it in game probs.

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01-17-2011 , 05:23 PM

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KnutXX

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I think there is only a small % of times that villain triple barrels this board.
anyways, regarding the fact that you played multiple matches I'd prolly call

a) because we get good enough odds to be profitable imo
b) we get a huge insight into his playing/betting pattern

I think folding here is as good as calling

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01-18-2011 , 04:54 AM

#164

t1lt

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Originally Posted by KnutXX

I think folding here is as good as calling

Lol, can't win if u fold now can u

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01-19-2011 , 09:49 AM

#165

Lodiah

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The real question here is: "How much is my sanity worth?"

As u said, this is probably a click any button situation but folding is clearly a -sanity move

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