Had a pretty interesting hand imo. Villain and have a couple of games under our belt, first 2ks, then he asked to move up. I assume he's a cashplayer or something but not sure. Some reads (some irrelevant, some not):
- his shallow game is really weird and he openjams the weirdest (read: too weak) hands for 12-17bb's imo
- his cbet% is 100% with one exception (A J on 9 7 2 3 8 we checked down with him as PFR) over decent enough sample to say it's close to 100% on any board type
- he didn't start out with barreling too much turns but has tuned up agression a bit in last 2-3 games because i often c/c'ed with as little as A-/K-high and won a lot of smallish pots on river unimproved; i dont think he barrels randomly (equityless) but definitly wide-ish on turn
- he also was pretty nitty in his button opens at first but increase both when the blinds went up and when he started being stuck
- I c/c'ed down once with T 8 on A T 7 8 6 where he bet/bet/jammed Q J
- for the rest most hands where he raised button didn't really get past turn too much
oh and his sizing was always the same in case anyone is wondering (preflop/flop/turn)

Is this a pukefold, trivial fold or "i kevall" spot?

Party Poker $5010 USD Buy-in No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 899850
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Hero (BB): t2220 55.50 BBs
BTN/SB: t1780 44.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with 3 Q
BTN/SB raises to t80, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t160) A 3 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t80, Hero calls t80

Turn: (t320) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t240, Hero calls t240

River: (t800) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t640

edit: maybe some things about my flop checkraising/calling %: def called pretty loosely but not random hopeless floats obv; checkraised around 20% of the time i estimate (no hud ldo) and because he cbet always i never donked... checkraises on the turn never really happened so far

I never played this high so can't give any good advice. But why ayou don't checkraise the flop? Aces+draws are a big part of his range and don't give up that easily.

It's a smash the keyboard fold imo.

im leaning towards call here but im a station. i just think he will put a lot of floats into your flop calling range and expect you to cr flush draws and 3x. also prob doesnt expect there to be many 3x in your oop flatting range. so by the river you look like you have a weak ace a lot and could be trying to get u off a split. also capable of bluffing 3 streets

how wide is his value range on the turn?

EDIT: i really want to call here lol his sizing is so big what does he want to call him? could also be owning himself with a worse 3

Does the king of clubs influence your decision at all?



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I think its because spamz has shown that he can c/c flops pretty light (with A or K high). So spamz could definitely have king high here or a smaller pp, a lot of stuff that villain will try to fold out with a double barrel, so c/c allows him to dbl barrel the turn, when he would've possibly folded to the flop c/r.

Not a good board for him to run 3-street bluff and not likely value betting light...and with info provided I would say he can safely fold this and consider it +ev.

Seems like AK(slightly unlikely) or 3-street bluff(unlikely) is all you can beat imo

You get 2.25:1, so you only need to be 30,8% of the time, right?

Given his cbet% is 100% he can basically have everything, but the only thing you are realistically afraid of here is AA/KK/flushes.

So if he only has AA/KK/flushes 69,2% of the time it's a call, I guess?

I guess he knows by now that you could easily be check/calling a random 3 here, given you check/called Tc 8c on AT7hh 8h 6s board, so I guess he's only firing 3 barrels with a strong range like AA/KK/flushes/another 3 (limited 3s in his range though)/45 (occasionally)/air, you only win over his air, and split with his random 3s, so it's VERY close IMO.

You also say he tuned up aggression in the last 3 games, which makes me lean more towards a call than a fold.

I don't play nowhere this high, so it's just my thoughts.

it's definitely close.. but I think I would call

Ez call, right?

I mindlessly click the middle button

easy fold, betting 3 streets in position on a wet board he is repping quad 3s,
personally i fold turn or even flop if im on my A-game

pretty trivial fold imo.
45 combinations of flushes
There 6 combos of AA and even more of KK
meh, there are definately better spots to call

i dont know

K on river changes everything; my perceived range is mostly Ax and people dont expect to get a fold from this imo on this river (since i'm chopping with any Ax)... if he has the case 3 then i chop as well now, whereas i would win vs a decent amount of other combo's if the river is another card
if river is 9 or other brick it's an easy c/c because i beat a big part of his valuerange even

presumably u slowplayed b/c u thought he might barrel off... now that he's barreling off, why would u fold?

also - since i suspect that villain is a cash player - i would like some input from mid-high stakes regs if they feel like it
syous already gave his thoughts on msn which i apreciate a lot and gave me some good insight
so if you're reading this, pretty plz reply? ^^

i expected this reply together with "raise flop" tbh
the board just ran out really ****ty for him to be bluffing here or valuebetting too thin

i disagree.. i think the board ran out such that he'd think he can rep lots of nut-type value hands that you v rarely have b/c you would have c/r flop

your hand looks like a lot of Ax, and he could def just be trying to get you off that. and i think its esp likely he can get to the river w/ hands that wanna do this cuz he can have a lot of semibluffs on the turn

You can't disagree here unless you play HS yourself.

Well then, I won't comment.

no no no ofc you can comment but you cant disagree when he educates you on a point like that

Would you expect that he thinks that you know this?

If he thinks you do, he would not expect you to check very many nutted hands to him on the river. And thus it becomes a good spot to bluff again

heh yeah i know, all that xth level thinking ****
idk, it just still feels like a suicidal board to bluff on for me and i wouldn't expect to many villains to fold Ax here ever, let alone better, and they just don't in my experience =)

I think the amount of 3x in his range is the biggest factor leading me to call. Some betsizing tells could be useful if he does different things with different strength hands on river in these types of situations, a lot of people are betting closer to 50-60% of pot here with 3x, so if we have previous river value betting sizings and they are different that's useful.

spamz do you think he'd shove with a lot of his range here considering the QJ bluff previously? also is this the first time he's triple barrelled since then? i find some guys will overbet shove as bluffs but just straight up bet their value and not deviate much from that.

i don't think you can really consider this a trivial fold but i'd pukefold it.

i think he has value hands here way more than air, it's a shocking spot for him to barrell and if it's the first one since the QJ then i think he's leaning way more towards value.

unless this is just some tilted triple coz he's stuck iuno hard to imagine him betting much thin or bluffing

cud be AK