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PokerStars - €4.65+€0.35|15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 354 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BTN): 813
SB: 333 (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 32.08, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 66)

SB posts SB 15, BB posts BB 30

Pre Flop: (pot: 45) Hero has 9 8

Hero raises to 60, fold, BB calls 30

Flop: (135, 2 players) 9 Q 3
BB checks, Hero bets 67, BB raises to 294 and is all-in, fold,

Pre: As BB was not so active so far, I decided fo the raise pre with these shallow stacks. I do not know if it is ok or not.

Flop: Can I cbet it?
Flop: After check call, can I call it? I need 31%. Against a draw-heavy range I have 28-29%, that's why fold is better, i think.
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Board: 93Q

MP2********28.90%**28.80%*****0.10%*{ 9c8s }
MP3********71.10%**71.00%*****0.10%*{ Q6s+, JTs, KhJh, KhTh, Ah9h, Kh9h, Jh9h, Th9h, Kh8h, Jh8h, Th8h, 9h8h, Kh7h, Jh7h, Th7h, 9h7h, 8h7h, Kh6h, Jh6h, Th6h, 9h6h, 8h6h, 7h6h, Kh5h, 7h5h, 6h5h, Q7o+, JTo }
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Check back.

I would cbet this board, we can get value from some weaker 9x, some 3x and a lot of draws/floats. We also benefit from protection against a lot of over cards that force us to check back turn.

Interested to know why you'd check this back.

Opening pre is fine only if you have reads that neither SB or BB is going to jam on you a significant amount of the time.

I would fold vs the shove, average rec players tend to jam more made hands in these spots, Qx, 2p+ than they do draws imo, so readless I'm folding. We also don't have great equity against hands we're ahead of anyway, as you pointed out.

Lot of reasons man, not allowed to state them. Cause they are worth a lot.

Check villains VPIP.

Villain has vpip'd 2/12 hands, which doesn't really tell us all that much?

In any case, I don't see the case for checking back here, even if its better, it must be close. Average recs are calling too wide and not stabbing turn enough for it to be more profitable bluff catching imo. Intrigued by these secret reasons though

Can not see any sense of this comments without explanation. It is just a lottery in this way...

Why should I give away a reasoning?

Tell me 3 reasons why should I do that for free man?

First of all, I am just a fish. Second of all, you cannot be serious bout that lottery statement.

I check 2p2 every day, and when I see interesting topics, I sacrifice my 5 mins and you tell me this? Thank you man, I appreciate your opinion.

Gotta grind now, haha. GL me.

+1

Too loose an open pre as well imo

Weeeeeee, Valuetown gave me +1.

Appreciate that, dude

Well tbh if you just say someone's played a hand wrong but without giving a reason why, you're not really contributing much. It's not like this exact spot is likely to come up again, so without the reasoning behind a decision it's pretty useless to just tell someone they're wrong or right.

You're perfectly entitled to keep your information to yourself, just don't expect people to not ask for your reasoning when you make claims and then don't provide any explanation.

I accept your opinion

This is a free forum. So I share my knowledge for free. It is only up to me how much information I give out.

And I am just a low stake fish, so I do not know much tbh.

Btw, play with some software and you will see that he does not have many weaker 9x in his range. And very small portion of 3x. Plus, you block some of his draws man.

If you do not trust me, you should trust Valuetown, he is much better player than I am.

Reason for checking back is really obvious lol. Low value when called, low benefits from protection, strong board for villain, and given the stacks high frequency of x/r from villain's strong range that contests your equity. Nothing secret really, just very straight forward poker logic...

And yeah fold pre but it's not a big deal (especially given the 2/12 vpip read *could* be ok depending on what that stat really is)

Fold pre and I don't think it's remotely close.

As played I guess you're gonna have to call it off now.

Yeah actually just saw stacks are ~11bb, def fold pre

It's a fold as played tho. But whatever, really shouldn't remote close to "in this spot"

Coffee, how about limp pre?

If we assume villain jams all flush draws, JT, and Qx, and also that he jams AQ and KQ pre, doesn't it make it a call after hero butchered the hand by raising pre and cbetting?