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3barrel leading in limped pot. Spewy? 3barrel leading in limped pot. Spewy?

11-29-2015 , 10:31 AM
PokerStars - $14.39+$0.61|25/50 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 32.4 BB
SB: 27.6 BB (VPIP: 81.48, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 2

SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 8 5 T
Hero bets 1.32 BB, SB calls 1.32 BB

Turn: (4.64 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 3.08 BB, SB calls 3.08 BB

River: (10.8 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 6 BB

Villain: limp 62%, min-raise 38%, limp cbet 1/4, fold vs lead in limped pot 3/3, raise vs lead in limped pot 0/3, AFq 11.

I lead the flop, as there will be many good turn and river cards to barrel. Can't really c/r, because Villain doesn't seem to limp cbet often.

As Villain seems passive, I can't really discount TP+ from his range when he calls my flop lead. Should I just give up because of this? I think I should only lead this turn if I continue on many rivers, as 8x, some 5x and some draws won't fold here yet.

Does this board hit Villain's limping range too hard to 3barrel bluff? Can I rep flushes or straights better than him?
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11-29-2015 , 12:34 PM
I would say just make your life easier by never donking flops. Idk if villain limps balanced or not, but you can iso pre with 42s vs someone who isn't limping stronger hands.
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12-01-2015 , 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by watergun7
I would say just make your life easier by never donking flops. Idk if villain limps balanced or not, but you can iso pre with 42s vs someone who isn't limping stronger hands.
He limp-called pretty wide, so I decided to check back.

So you mean you never lead flops in limped pots when you miss? Do you check-raise with backdoor-type hands often instead?
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12-01-2015 , 01:24 PM
When 3-barreling here, consider these factors:
1)villain is passive - he likely just flats his Tx, so plan to barrel gets worse
2)he also likely flats his 8+ outer draws, so this turn is improving his range; he does rep them
3)he folds plenty to flop leads, so you're looking to fold out a made hand or a good draw ott/otr
4)his(and yours) preflop range hits this flop

alternative lines would be to check flop and probe turn&river unless you hit 4 or 2 - this is pretty good since he rarely cbets flop.

or, a (bet-check-bet) line if you don't improve, to fold out missed draws and possibly weakest pairs and on the river - since a passive opponent likely won't bluff his draws against your turn check, but will fold them to a river bet(and maybe fold a weak pair)

I guess triple barreling can be best if you expect him to fold most of his 8x on the river - on average river and not just a good river. If you're barreling 9x, Jx+ and any spade, you're still barreling too rarely IMO to justify turn bet that shouldn't have necessary fold equity by itself.
And I'd say you cant barrel blanks too wide against people who fold plenty on the flop already.

+he will likely let you check down your 4 unless you're beat.

If you expect to fold out most 8x/5x barreling any river, sure, triple away.

I can be wrong, ofc
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12-01-2015 , 02:06 PM
you wanna win this hand, but u cant call or checkraise, so triplebarrelleading seems legit.
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12-02-2015 , 03:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchking
When 3-barreling here, consider these factors:
1)villain is passive - he likely just flats his Tx, so plan to barrel gets worse
2)he also likely flats his 8+ outer draws, so this turn is improving his range; he does rep them
3)he folds plenty to flop leads, so you're looking to fold out a made hand or a good draw ott/otr
4)his(and yours) preflop range hits this flop

alternative lines would be to check flop and probe turn&river unless you hit 4 or 2 - this is pretty good since he rarely cbets flop.

or, a (bet-check-bet) line if you don't improve, to fold out missed draws and possibly weakest pairs and on the river - since a passive opponent likely won't bluff his draws against your turn check, but will fold them to a river bet(and maybe fold a weak pair)

I guess triple barreling can be best if you expect him to fold most of his 8x on the river - on average river and not just a good river. If you're barreling 9x, Jx+ and any spade, you're still barreling too rarely IMO to justify turn bet that shouldn't have necessary fold equity by itself.
And I'd say you cant barrel blanks too wide against people who fold plenty on the flop already.

+he will likely let you check down your 4 unless you're beat.

If you expect to fold out most 8x/5x barreling any river, sure, triple away.

I can be wrong, ofc
Makes perfect sense
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12-02-2015 , 10:02 AM
You don't have to win every hand. E.g. if you had 32cc on this flop you should just give up on the hand unless you improve. Or if it gets checked down to river then you can sometimes bluff there.
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12-03-2015 , 06:04 AM
it's not really spewy, but it's not worth it. this is likely around +0 cEV as a guesstimate but very high variance vs a random rec. just give up flop.
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