Final match of a 4man. Villain was LAG IP and loose passive OOP. He'd min-raised every SB and cbet 6/6 times regardless of board texture, betting turn if I floated each time.

He's a losing player on SS, not horrible but def not good stats. If I hadn't seen them, I'd have assumed he was the usual opponent who knows how to bet/cbet and 2nd barrel the right cards.

How awful is it to station down on a board like this? Are we picking off more than we're donating? This is horrendous by me, isn't it?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 34.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed)

Hero (BB) (t1625)
VILLAIN (SB) (t1375)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, A
VILLAIN bets t60, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t120) 8, 3, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, VILLAIN bets t90, Hero calls t90

Turn: (t300) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, VILLAIN bets t180, Hero calls t180

River: (t660) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, VILLAIN bets t270, Hero calls t270

Total pot: t1200

Fold turn.

You have to call river now. He has 99+/Qx/8x and depending on his 3 barrel/open range, diamond draws/56/76/75 and maybe A2/A5 betting so you fold better A high diamond draws and/or 4/3

if this is his usual betsize on flop and turn, I would def not fold.
if he's usually c-betting 1/2 pot - you might make a stand for folding turn.
but esp with that kind of history, i don't see a chance how not to pay of his random pair/trips.

just as borderline said: I think there's a law that forbids to fold that river when getting better than 3.5:1 on your money.

ya once i called turn i don't think there's any chance i was folding that river.

but i've found myself constantly in this river spot lately where i'm getting delicious odds, on a safeish board, with a decent... and in retrospect it seems like i'm getting offered them on purpose, if that makes sense. making sure i'm not turning into an ATM.

pretty unlikely that there's a widespread tendency to v-bet safe rivers <0,5 pot.
probably more your personal recent history.
I don't know if you were trying to make a stand for that: but as said - the only point where I could see this hand getting mucked was turn - never flop, never river.

btw, what does ATM stand for?

ha. automated teller machine. u know, for cash withdraw.

tks for responses. i need to post more hands (and more embarrassing hands) to keep perspective on whether i'm thinking biased or playing poorly.

yeah, there are probably a lot of overaggro-wanna-be-regs in the 20-50$ games that you wanna call down here. turn bet is ridiculously polarised imo, with a lot more on the total air side than a lot of people think. if your assumptions are right, and i would bet they are, he's gonna show random air at showdown very very often.

given the short history i'd most likely call all streets

OP, with your info i'd have to play it like you do.

According to the info he's almost following it up with a 2nd barrel on every turn, so if you're calling flop + folding turn, wouldn't simply folding flop be better? I can't see many turn cards being good for our hand. And we're oop.

folding flop is completely out of the question even IF you're going to fold on a non 8/3/4/A/2 turn card.

i'd play it like you did given previous action

gah the turn is fine (what was his usual barrel betsizing?), river is very close. If I'm confused I station out since we only need < 25%. His river betsizing puts more Qx and 8x in his range but there is just sooooooo much air/missed draws he can have here...I call.

Attending to the history, i would call the 3 streets with that board, and let him know that i can't bluff you 100% of the time.

Eh river just screams value, Id be much happier calling a larger sized bet, problem is that he doesnt rep much here besides Qxdd or AA/KK as Im not sure how much JJ/TT bets river here ( I mean they should to get value from 8x, but how often in actuality...) River could be a blocker, kinda curious how a shove would work.

Calling cant be terrible given odds, info, etc

a blocker IP? what's that?

oooo good point

given your reads i would flat flop and turn happily, river i puke a lil, it's a horrible card for villain to bluff, otoh the odds are good and it's going to be a big deal if we see villain 3barreling air in this spot (esp if it has SD value like bottom pair or A/K high). My gut says fold river though.