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30$ turbo. Isoing shallow, flopping 2nd pair. 30$ turbo. Isoing shallow, flopping 2nd pair.

11-29-2015 , 11:18 PM
Reg. No history in iso pots between us. Ive noticed people dont really like to stab flops much checked to, so eventhough we arent really doing well against a get it in range of better 5x, 6x and draws, should we still cbet get it in on flop for protection without reads?

PokerStars - $28.78+$1.22|30/60 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 2,268
SB: 732 (VPIP: 74.39, PFR: 48.10, 3Bet Preflop: 12.12, Hands: 92)

SB posts SB 30, Hero posts BB 60

Pre Flop: (pot: 90) Hero has 4 5

SB calls 30, Hero raises to 150, SB calls 90

Flop: (300, 2 players) 5 2 6
Hero checks, SB bets 145, Hero calls 145

Turn: (590, 2 players) T
Hero checks, SB bets 437 and is all-in, Hero calls 437
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11-30-2015 , 01:13 PM
I think bet-calling flop is the best line, but not sure, so I hope this gets some replies. I'm also wondering if the turn call is good as played.
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11-30-2015 , 03:10 PM
Agree with bet/call. As played you should check shove. Check calling here is pretty bad.
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11-30-2015 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by watergun7
Agree with bet/call. As played you should check shove. Check calling here is pretty bad.
Well i was check-calling the flop cause im not doing well against his getting it in range of better 5x, 6x, open enders and flushdraws, so i wanted to see a safe turn that wouldnt complete draws and expected him to shove his flushdraws/open enders on turn.
But all that said, seems like most people like to take free cards with their draws this shallow and bluff turn/river rather than flop/turn.
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12-01-2015 , 12:00 PM
someone please enligthen me how b/c and x/shove can be decent while x/c is "pretty bad" at the same time. i can only come up with expoitative reasoning regarding the proposed ev difference b/w those plays (ppl under-/overbluffing certain streets/lines/runouts); vs someone decent i expect the ev of those plays to be somewhat close together, making it not clear-cut at all what the best play is.
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12-01-2015 , 05:40 PM
At this depths ur iso range should be constructed such that u can cbet this flop almost 100% (ip should not hit this flop at all).

Checking and allowing IP to realise equity is huge when so shallow. Personally I think x/s isnt great too, but anyway I'm not a fan of checking here.
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12-04-2015 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by watergun7
ip should not hit this flop at all
Would you care to explain why?
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12-05-2015 , 09:23 AM
It's a low flop. He has v few 2x 3x 4x 5x and even 6x. Also most likely he won't limp/flat many pps.
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12-07-2015 , 11:01 PM
I think at this stackdepth you - all things considered you flopped pretty well and just have to b/c it off on the flop readless. Against people who bets like 80+ when checked too i can see your line as good but im never folding in that case even if the turn is not "safe"
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12-11-2015 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by watergun7
It's a low flop. He has v few 2x 3x 4x 5x and even 6x. Also most likely he won't limp/flat many pps.
OOP isolating range shouldn't, either. And IP still has more 2x-6x on this flop when he limp/called a 2.5x raise, whereas OOP can have more pp's but not that many because he didn't jam.
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12-11-2015 , 10:02 PM
Is it anyone elses experience aswell that people will actually not bet their flushdraws/open enders as often in position in these spots but rather take a free card and bluff turn/river much more often than flop/turn?
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12-12-2015 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pyha Karu
Is it anyone elses experience aswell that people will actually not bet their flushdraws/open enders as often in position in these spots but rather take a free card and bluff turn/river much more often than flop/turn?
Well they could, but I doubt it because most of those draws will have at least one overcard and have enough equity to bet/call it off + you can check/fold some hands as well. Because of that, I think they would be more inclined to bet their draws.
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12-14-2015 , 06:07 PM
I dont like this LA with these stacks. As played bet/call OTF is best option.
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