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3$ turbo - call river shove on paired board 3$ turbo - call river shove on paired board

06-17-2013 , 06:03 PM
Hello guys,

I'm new on this forum. I am trying hard to improve my game. I am currently playing the 3$ turbos. I have a question about the following hand:
    On Game, $3 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17970232

    SB: 2,085 (69.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 915 (30.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 6
    SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: (60) 8 9 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets 45, SB calls 45

    Turn: (150) K (2 players)
    Hero bets 110, SB calls 110

    River: (370) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets 260, SB raises to 1,900 and is all-in, Hero calls 470 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,830 pot
    Final Board: 8 9 7 K 9
    SB showed T 6 and won 1,830 (915 net)
    Hero mucked 5 6 and lost (-915 net)



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    1. What do you guys think about my betsizing? Is it alright considering i have the bottom end of a straight?

    2. On the river in my post game analysis the range i figured for him to shove is QQ+,99-77,AKs,
    A9s,K3s+,Q9s,J8s+,T9s,97s+,87s,AKo,A9o,K9o+,Q9o,J9 o+,T9o.
    Is this a realistic range to put villain on?

    3. The pot odds on the river is 2.89:1 this means that i have to win 25% of the time to make a call profitable. My hand vs villains range is 76% to win, so i must call. My expected value of the call is 0.76 * 1830 = 1390.8. Are my calculations correct?

    4. Also i'm trying to improve my game by analysing my sessions. What is the best approach? Looking at hands with the highest wins/losses or looking at all hands?


    Thank you for your time!
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    06-17-2013 , 06:11 PM
    Some additional info regarding villain:
    On the button he raised 27%, and called 60%
    Pre flop in the BB the was tight.
    Post flop loose aggresive(AF: 3.3), did not fold to cbets.
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    06-17-2013 , 07:32 PM
    Well played, I'm going broke here 100% of the time.

    Have you checked if there's a difference between the hands he limps and those he raises?

    Given he has a raising range preflop (he raised 27% of buttons), I would exclude many hands from the range you give him.

    Preflop: exclude (most of the time) 99+, AJo+, ATs+ and many Q9s, KQ, etc. from his range.

    Flop: after your bet, I would exclude for sure 99+ because he simply called. If villain is aggressive, you can exclude 9x, all 2 pairs and straights. Maybe some 8x if he's very aggro.

    Turn: You can exclude some Kx from his range since he just called (not that it's a bad call, but many players will raise it).

    River: When he shoves, it confirms he doesn't have TT-QQ.
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    06-18-2013 , 04:02 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quimp
    Well played, I'm going broke here 100% of the time.

    Have you checked if there's a difference between the hands he limps and those he raises?

    Given he has a raising range preflop (he raised 27% of buttons), I would exclude many hands from the range you give him.

    Preflop: exclude (most of the time) 99+, AJo+, ATs+ and many Q9s, KQ, etc. from his range.

    Flop: after your bet, I would exclude for sure 99+ because he simply called. If villain is aggressive, you can exclude 9x, all 2 pairs and straights. Maybe some 8x if he's very aggro.

    Turn: You can exclude some Kx from his range since he just called (not that it's a bad call, but many players will raise it).

    River: When he shoves, it confirms he doesn't have TT-QQ.
    Thanks for your reply, it was very usefull!. I now realise the mistake i made in anlyzing his range. His preflop range would contain much weaker hands.

    Altough he is aggresive i have never seen him checkraise. Does this stil mean i can exclude 99+ on the flop. And if i can exclude 99+ on the flop does that also mean i can exclude hands like 77 and 88?.

    The new range for villain on the river i came up with is:
    88-77,Q9s,J9s+,T9s,T6s,97s+,Q9o,J9o+,T9o,T6o,97o+
    I left some hands in his range because i have not seen him checkraise(maybe he wasnt so aggresive?). When i run this in poker stove my equity is: 34%. Am i right that the pot odds still justify a call?
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    06-18-2013 , 04:42 AM
    i guess you could bet a bit more on the turn
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    06-18-2013 , 05:15 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ola k ase
    i guess you could bet a bit more on the turn
    So what if i bet about 130 on the turn? Is the higher bet meant to protect my hand? Or to extract the maximum amount of value?
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    06-18-2013 , 09:30 AM
    Both since I don't see him folding.
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    06-18-2013 , 02:27 PM
    Most players will play their 77, 88, 99 fast on this flop, so I would exclude them yes. It's not very precise because you'll find players who will call flop and turn with them, some other guys will call flop and raise the turn, some will raise the flop, etc. But going with how I think the average players plays a set on a 3-straight board, I'd say they raise it more often than they call. Which is why it's important to pay attention to how they play different hands.

    Fwiw he may not have raised the flop in the past but maybe he hasn't had a strong hand like that before either.
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    06-18-2013 , 02:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quimp
    Most players will play their 77, 88, 99 fast on this flop, so I would exclude them yes. It's not very precise because you'll find players who will call flop and turn with them, some other guys will call flop and raise the turn, some will raise the flop, etc. But going with how I think the average players plays a set on a 3-straight board, I'd say they raise it more often than they call. Which is why it's important to pay attention to how they play different hands.

    Fwiw he may not have raised the flop in the past but maybe he hasn't had a strong hand like that before either.
    Thanks for your feedback! it was very usefull to me.
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