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3-bet calling theory question. 3-bet calling theory question.

12-27-2016 , 10:24 PM
Don't flame me for the question but after I've done some calcs I really have a question that I'd like it to be answered from the more experienced players here.
Lets assume that we have play a HU turbo SNG with 1500 stacks each and we have A6s on the SB and we come for a min raise.
Villain decides to to make a STD 3-bet to 120.

Ok now we need to have 33% equity for this call to be breakeven.
So if our opponent 3-bets a let's say a 34% range which is huge and looks like
this:99+,A2s+,K9s+,K6s-K2s,QTs+,Q6s-Q3s,T6s-T3s,97s-93s,85s+,74s+,64s+,54s,43s,A3o+,KTo+,98o,87o,76o,6 5o,54o.
We have 52,52% equity which is sure plus EV if we call here.

Now lets assume that villain is three betting a little tighter.
Something like a 28% range which looks like this:99+,A2s+,K9s+,QTs+,96s-95s,86s+,74s+,64s+,54s,43s,A3o+,KTo+,98o,87o,76o,6 5o,54o.
Against this range with A6s we have 50% equity which makes this call very profitable.

Now lets take a tighter range which leans towards more value type hands.
Lets assume that he is 3-betting a 12% range which looks like this:88+,A9s+,KJs+,QTs+,ATo+,KTo+.
Against this particular range we have 41% equity and if we call here we are going to be more than breakeven.

Even against a 9% 3-betting range (99+,A9s+,KQs,ATo+,KQo) we have 35% equity and a slightly profitable call.

My question is this: Do we always call against any given range with A6s or hands with similar strength just because against any given 3-betting range we are gonna be profitable,or we fold just because we could make bigger edges against our opponents which makes this move sub par??
Are we ok sacrificing the equity we have to focus more on exploiting our opponents in in other areas or do we always make the call here??

Sorry for the long post.
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12-28-2016 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kakospaidis
Ok now we need to have 33% equity for this call to be breakeven.
That would be true if we'd never have to put more money in the pot, but in reality a lot of our equity is never going to be realized and we'd like to have a deal more vs the range we're facing to make the call.
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12-28-2016 , 05:24 AM
I'm not an experienced player, but I think suited aces are too strong to fold against almost any 3-betting range, especially at deeper stacks when they play really well post-flop.

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Originally Posted by mic_giu
That would be true if we'd never have to put more money in the pot, but in reality a lot of our equity is never going to be realized and we'd like to have a deal more vs the range we're facing to make the call.
I believe this is more relevant for out of position play, but in position I think it's actually almost the other way around. We can more easily peel flops, apply pressure and steal away pots even when we don't hit. Feel free to correct me if I'm completely wrong here.
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12-28-2016 , 06:23 AM
When you're not all in EV does not equal equity so your method of looking at equity is flawed.

Against 9% 3bet you can call something like 22+, ATo+, KJo+, QJo+, 54s+, 75s+, J8s+, Q8s+, K7s+ and barely any suited Ax hand.

It's very uncommon for the hands above to be -EV calls in HU against a pot sized 3bet deep.
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12-28-2016 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kalupso
When you're not all in EV does not equal equity so your method of looking at equity is flawed.

Against 9% 3bet you can call something like 22+, ATo+, KJo+, QJo+, 54s+, 75s+, J8s+, Q8s+, K7s+ and barely any suited Ax hand.

It's very uncommon for the hands above to be -EV calls in HU against a pot sized 3bet deep.
Dont you think that some of the weaker hands above are too loose to call a pot sized 3-bet??
Plus could you please explain to me why am I looking at equity wrong right here??
With most of the ranges that I described above I think that I have more than 33%eq on my call so I think my call in this particular case is profitable.
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12-28-2016 , 05:06 PM
Yes, you can't call all of those hands against a 3bet range composed of only top 9% of hands (something like 66+, AQo, KQo, KTs+, QTs+, JTs+, T9s+, A9s+ and A5s-A3s). Most 9% 3bet ranges are much weaker and the hands I posted is very reasonable to play against a tight player because they often play weak tight postflop too.
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