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3-bet bluffing suited hands 3-bet bluffing suited hands

01-21-2017 , 08:08 AM
This is an information that many players dont share for free but im stilll asking your thoughts...

This is about what hands you like to 3-bet bluff non ai at 25-35bb deep. I like to use suited committed hands like 64s or 78s. I know many players use worse hands which plays not so well as flatted like 64o. But imo it is better to use suited hands since they have a better playability when villain flat the 3-bet.

Thoughts?
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01-21-2017 , 10:49 AM
Why do you want to 3bet bluff?
If you try to be balanced vs someone its not so simple, BB would 3bet nai very wide range of hands but each hand would be very small frequency.
If you want to exploit someone folding too much vs 3bets than just 3bet hands which are not +ev calls.
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01-21-2017 , 11:57 AM
Why I like to 3-bet bluff? Well, if I only 3-bet strongest hands villain will notice that pretty soon and start to fold every time I 3-bet and I'll dont get action with my strongest holdings.

I like to think things gto way. Did you mean gto would 3-bet bluff mixed range with suited and non suited hands?
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01-21-2017 , 12:32 PM
GTO doesn't 3b/fold suited hands 25bb and shallower. Not sure about deeper, I know very deep it 3b NAI suited connectors (but probably because they don't bet/fold, they bet/flat since not facing jams...).

OP, think about population tendencies/reads. How often are you getting flatted vs getting a fold or getting 4b? If you get flatted a lot playability matters and you want to think about 3b hands from within your calling range (though still probably off-suit). If they have a smaller flat range due to 4b and folds, then you should bluff hands from top of folding range/bottom of calling range because your playbility isn't as relevant.

Also, your opponents sure seem very perceptive! You must play a lot vs the same players, and these players seem very strong. Perhaps focus on game selection?
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01-21-2017 , 01:14 PM
Thank you pros

My game selection sucks :P

Ps. are you seriously saying that you dont 3-bet bluff at all? I thought hought it was a joke but ofc it is a good strategy if villain doesnt fold vs 3bets.
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01-21-2017 , 03:30 PM
Vs weak players, no not really. Throw some in occasionally depending on reads. If you know how to barrel it can be profitable, but with win-rate maxing it's ends up still marginal compared to flatting. Basically, weak players play bad post so the value of getting folds is lower since you can flat and play post vs them. Bad players also have issues with stationing and 4b spewing. So generally 3b bluffing is marginal, especially compared to flatting. Again, it's not terrible--EV can be quite decent compared to folding if you barrel well, but it still ends up whatever when you throw in win-rate maxing.

As for it helping you get value, most players have a fairly fixed 4b and flat range, so how much you 3-bet really doesn't change that. Especially since sample size tends to be small since they probably don't minr all the time and you often don't get much sample vs 1 player--so they don't really have much chance to adapt even if they knew how. If you don't believe the EV of your 3b is better than other options (fold/flat) you don't want to do it--throwing away money with the hope of getting some of it back later is not a good plan.
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