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07-25-2016 , 05:40 PM

Money$Team

adept

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 823

Hello 2+2,

Not really needing specific feedback on how to play the hand (isn't actually mine), just needing to find out if your standard play OTF is call or fold here.

Stack sizes:
Hero 1600
Villain 1400

Blinds 25/50

Hero

A

Raises to 150, Villain calls 150 (Pot = 200)

K

Hero bets 150, Villain raises to 1250 (1100 more) and is All In, Hero?

Again, just looking for your standard play here, all responses are appreciated.

Thanks.

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07-26-2016 , 02:05 PM

obbudsman

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,472

Checking the flop and folding as played is standard.

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07-27-2016 , 05:44 AM

fushnikov

stranger

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 6

Why 3x pre??
Its std in low hutrb??
Fine is x2. U are in BB??

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07-27-2016 , 07:17 AM

TeaAndCrumpets

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 40

Bet, fold. You want to bet to charge Qx, which you can always et value from, and Tx, 9x and Ax which you can occasionally get value from, or force off the hand. Both good results. When they shove, fold because they likely have TPTK+.

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07-27-2016 , 08:04 AM

Axif

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 692

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Originally Posted by obbudsman

Checking the flop and folding as played is standard.

Pretty much this

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07-27-2016 , 01:23 PM

Skyyy

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Checking the flop is best option. As played fold.

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07-27-2016 , 02:46 PM

Duncelanas

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Minraising pre is good as standard.

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Originally Posted by TeaAndCrumpets

When they shove, fold because they likely have TPTK+.

What? Villain should almost never have TPTK+ here.

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07-27-2016 , 04:12 PM

Axif

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Originally Posted by Duncelanas

Minraising pre is good as standard.

What does "standard" stand for?

I think we should play according to reads.

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07-28-2016 , 12:04 AM

Duncelanas

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Originally Posted by Axif

What does "standard" stand for?

I think we should play according to reads.

Sure, if we have some super sick reads that 3xing is good for some reason, it can be fine to do. But no reads were posted in the OP, and 2xing at this depth is good for a lot of reasons. How do you want to construct your ranges if you have a 3x and minraise size? Or do you want to just 3x everything and incentivize villain to 3b jam?

It's all cool to make an edgy post about "reads," but in this case it seems pretty unnecessary. Do you have any reason to think 3x is better in this particular case?

Standard in general is something like: "What we do given no reason to do otherwise." And this thread definitely hasn't provided any reason to 3x.

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07-28-2016 , 10:37 AM

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TeaAndCrumpets

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Originally Posted by Duncelanas

Minraising pre is good as standard.

What? Villain should almost never have TPTK+ here.

Interested to know what you think he has here then. Clearly, he's never bluffing, he knows he's way too likely to get looked up ok this board with short stacks. He may occasionally do this with Qx, but I think he usually calls. Most of his range here is TP, 2 pair or a really strong draw like a pair and open ender. My point is, it's an obvious fold.

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07-28-2016 , 10:28 PM

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Duncelanas

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Originally Posted by TeaAndCrumpets

Most of his range here is TP, 2 pair or a really strong draw like a pair and open ender. My point is, it's an obvious fold.

Out of these, only 2p is "TPTK+"

V will have plenty of top pairs, but almost no AK. V will have almost no sets. V might not even have KJ, depending on reads. V will also have some Qx and maybe a few stray other hands.

I do agree with you that it's a fold, but that doesn't mean we should lie about V's range in this spot. More concerned about hands like K7 clicking it in here than AK.

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07-29-2016 , 07:47 AM

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TeaAndCrumpets

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Should have specified that I do think more than half his range is 2 pair in this spot. There aren't many Qx he plays like this and even when he has it, he doesn't usually shove it. I don't think he has many worse one pair hands because, again, shoving would be a really awful play here. I agree he doesn't have many sets, but I think we're usually looking at 2pair here.

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07-29-2016 , 09:01 AM

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Duncelanas

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Originally Posted by TeaAndCrumpets

I do agree that shoving random TP isn't so good here, but you do see it a lot from turbo players when stacks get shallower effective. They don't really play like hyper regs do. We block KJ/JT as well, really don't think he has 2p >50% of the time.

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07-29-2016 , 05:22 PM

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TeaAndCrumpets

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Originally Posted by Duncelanas

I know it's a tight range to assign, but I just don't see how he can have that much else. Some Qx, very occasionally a 1 pair with a dodgy kicker. What do you think makes up the bulk here, out of interest?

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07-30-2016 , 03:36 PM

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thegibson

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were 28bbs effective, 3xing isn't that horrible if villain flats just as often. his range is likely Kx that doesn't 3bet ( K2s-KJs,K8o+,QJ,QT,Q9,JT)

we have 37% vs that range. 28bbs we open 3, he calls. pot is 6
we cbet 3 and he jams 25bbs. so we have to call 22 to win ( 22 / (22 + 9) ) = 70%

fold. he would have to have QJ or QT ONLY for this to be a call. meaning he never does this with Kx. that's not realistic so its a fold. if your going to 3x you have to check-back more flops to prevent being in awkward spots with weird SPRs. this is a perfect example of such a spot.

Last edited by thegibson; 07-30-2016 at 03:39 PM. Reason: math was lol wrong

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