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12-25-2012 , 10:08 PM

Sol Reader

The Situation

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,380

At that time, no reads on villain.

Thoughts?

Full Tilt, 10/20 blinds No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15151111

BB: 500 (25 bb)
Hero (SB): 500 (25 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop: (80) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (80) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 20, BB calls 20

River: (120) T

(2 players)
BB bets 440 and is all-in, Hero ?

Spoiler:

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12-25-2012 , 11:22 PM

ohly

Pooh-Bah

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why no cbet?

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12-25-2012 , 11:23 PM

qetou

old hand

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you need to chop 8 out of 9 times for this call to be breakeven and you can never win here

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12-25-2012 , 11:28 PM

Sol Reader

The Situation

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Yeah it's 88% isn't it?

I do usually cbet I think I might have been distracted or mistook him for another player who I plan on calling down on. Meh.

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12-26-2012 , 12:42 AM

mela

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As played I don't mind checking back on turn

River looks like a must fold though

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12-26-2012 , 12:51 AM

BitchiBee

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snap call and think about the stuff you're gonna buy with the chip ev

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12-26-2012 , 01:38 AM

Krumb Snatcha

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Snap call

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12-26-2012 , 08:58 AM

Mark275

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lol easiest fold ever, you are putting in 440 chips for what? to get back 60, or lose 440, yeah wp there if ur calling lol. The guy could easily have a 10 he horribly misplayed. NOt worth it at all.

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12-26-2012 , 09:22 AM

pavels4444

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i would either cbet or bet turn a bit bigger

i fold the river for sure readless

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12-26-2012 , 09:44 AM

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yay

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looks like a call the way the hand played out, he basically has quads or air there and not even that many quads. not even Tx with that turn play.

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12-26-2012 , 09:50 AM

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zZzTILT

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I agree with your spoiler.

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12-26-2012 , 10:00 AM

#12

chadders0

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why even post this, i mean, not to troll, but you post a hand for advice but say you probably didn't cbet because you weren't payin attention.

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12-26-2012 , 10:39 AM

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I just LOLd

Also Known As TakerHerOnaCruise

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Originally Posted by chadders0

why even post this, i mean, not to troll, but you post a hand for advice but say you probably didn't cbet because you weren't payin attention.

Yeah I know what you mean but people butcher or make mistakes in hands for all kinds of reasons, so then you just have to take up the hand from that point and go from there. Also it'd be good to get some discussion of games at $100+ really because much of the meaningful strategy has died on 2p2. So let's not pooh-pooh this because of a mistake earlier in the hand.

I like the turn bet for value. Fold river.

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12-26-2012 , 01:19 PM

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ohly

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how does the BI matter at all? if anything it should be because the spots are more interesting if they are bothering higher stakes players. this hand is just misplayed on flop and turn, its discussion doesn't provide more insights than any ordinary lowstakes hand.

it's basically cbet flop, as played bet turn bigger as played fold river /thread.

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12-26-2012 , 02:45 PM

#15

Gazzy

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Originally Posted by ohly

Agree though I don't really mind turn bet sizing

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12-26-2012 , 03:02 PM

#16

I just LOLd

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Originally Posted by ohly

Yeah I agree that this specific hand doesn't open up much interesting discussion but future discussions would likely be more interesting.

I think hands played at $100+ are likely going to be more interesting because the poster will have a good grasp of the fundamentals and so the hands posted would challenge you to think further than "lol cbet flop".

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12-26-2012 , 04:05 PM

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JSpazz

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I'm going w "lol cbet flop" on this one

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12-26-2012 , 04:59 PM

#18

riveredu

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Originally Posted by JSpazz

I'm going w "lol cbet flop" on this one

lolol +1

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12-27-2012 , 10:19 AM

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Kostek

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cbet flop, fold riv

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12-27-2012 , 01:19 PM

#20

SuperRu

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Wow I can't believe people are saying call here...

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12-27-2012 , 02:07 PM

#21

VasTheGreek

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well played villain.

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12-27-2012 , 11:46 PM

#22

smeu

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Originally Posted by VasTheGreek

well played villain.

+1

Spoiler +1 too.

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12-30-2012 , 02:49 PM

#23

Kostek

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Originally Posted by SuperRu

Wow I can't believe people are saying call here...

it means still alot of moniez in poker

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12-30-2012 , 03:11 PM

#24

Sol Reader

The Situation

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Yeah I probably had too many tables on, but once I got to the turn I don't mind the sizing, and on the river, it's a spot I don't get to very often or at all (I don't misclick THAT much), so I thought I'd check if it was standard, because I felt that villain could be jamming all kinds of air there, maybe enough for it to make it close. Thanks anyway.

I didn't realize it was 88% needed to call though, thought it was like 80%-ish, and I think they show up with chops about that often.

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