people don't bluffshove in those spots very often, i agree but spek*tah isn't you average opponent...he seemed like the type of reg that outlevels himself alot
given the fact that he thinks i'm weak throughout the whole hand, what keeps him from snapshoving river if he strongly believes my river bet is a bluff and doesnt have much SD value?

You're betting it on the flop?

you aren't?

edit: + this of course:

if you're betting A2dd on flop and NOT on this turn you're doing it wrong obv

why the hell would he raise 12x your bet as a bluff if he thought you were bluffing?

cause he's not the smartest guy, just lost two decent sized pots in a row and just really wants to get me to fold by conveying as much strength as possible...

i'm just trying to retrace my opponents potential train of thought

edit: also the shove was so quick that he probably didnt even realize my bet size

yep

just tell me why a semi tilted aggro reg who tends to outlevel himself is unable to bluffovershove in that spot

you're the one leveling yourself if you think this is even discussworthy spot really

River: (t360) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t225, BB raises to t2740 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

the fact that you just posted results makes this post even more hilarious
cool story bro but bbv is some other way

Yeah but it's not happening often enough for it to even be worth talking about is it? Whether he had the nuts or a bluff here your still leveling yourself only this time he did show up with **** all which will not be the case a very large amount of the time.

agree with every single post made by merse ITT

i think given the gameflow, my perceived range and my opponent's tendencies this was not a clear fold
i felt like the discussion about the river play had pretty much died...why would i not post the results?

i'm by no means trying to say that people often overbetbluffshove rivers but i felt like this was a very uniquely weird spot and i just wanted to get everyone elses opinion on it

tempted to ship it to BBV but since you're genuine on that we'll leave it here. Def not a close spot though.

so how do u naysayers adjust after this hand?

(can't just stick your fingers in your ears and keep humming about how you know youre exploitable but villain's not exploiting it after he shows this down, can u?)

Well, we factor in the fact that villain showed us his bluff, and get into the leveling game of tracking how often he pulls moves like this, what the specific board and hand possibilities look like, and where we think he's at in terms of doing it for value or as a bluff given recent history, and where he thinks we're at. In this case, he just showed us a bluff, so it probably skews his bluffing frequency the next few times he pulls similar moves downward, though other factors can offset this.

In short, there's no clear answer ascertainable just from the information provided so far ITT; the total match state is the ideal field from which to determine how to adjust going forward.

^^
we sort of got into the levelling a few hands earlier and i won a few pots and a row and simply based on the gameflow it really felt like he'd make a move very soon.
i did fold my hand without thinking too much about it because it seemed like a pretty easy fold but looking back at it i think it's atleast close.

pretty ez snapfold for reasons every1 mentioned, you just have to be correct soooo often and you'll never be. Also iirc I saw spektah around here a few months ago, altho I doubt he'll be reading this thread or catching reads on you from it

This is a snap fold 99% of the time. If you have a soul read on this guy, then just soul crush him IMO. But noone on these forums can give you input on a play like that.

Obv what mers and them are saying is what's applicable to this spot almost always.

lol @ starting a thread with this hand...