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BB: t2920 146 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t3080 154 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 8

Hero calls t10, BB raises to t80, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t160) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t100, BB calls t100

Turn: (t360) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t360) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t225, BB raises to t2740 all in, Hero

-this hand happened about 10-15 hands in
-opponent was a decent reg (SPEK*TAH)
-he was pretty frisky and aggro
-the shove was instant

does spek*tah post on 2+2 btw?

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09-17-2010 , 06:59 PM

yaqh

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why didnt you bet turn?

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09-17-2010 , 07:14 PM

Quimp

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Originally Posted by Borg7

does spek*tah post on 2+2 btw?

He doesn't post, he's a spektahtor.

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In all fairness I don't know if he does.

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09-17-2010 , 07:15 PM

Borg7

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i knew he thought i was attacking flops in those type of pots weak so i was pretty sure he was gonna attack any river or call me down with some sort of SD value if i check back turn.
also i made my timing look realllly weak on all streets...

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09-17-2010 , 07:20 PM

yaqh

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^ makes sense

so yea his hand looks a ton like the nuts trying to valuetown something like 8x

guess he might be able to bluff this way though cuz it looks like youd never have diamonds (maybe you check back flop w/ your 5Xdd and 7Xdd but barrel turn w/ all your non-paired diamonds). but without knowing he can/likes to do stuff like this, and w/ a good frequency, i think u have to fold. then again, i hear i'm a nit.

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09-17-2010 , 07:30 PM

Borg7

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i think my perceived range is like KJ-ish and maybe A8 and i think he thinks that this is a bluff almost always but i wasnt sure if that was enough to justify a call because if he has a total airball he took such a weird line

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09-17-2010 , 07:45 PM

u cnat spel

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fold and it's not close.

and afaik, he doesn't post on 2+2.

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09-17-2010 , 08:11 PM

mersenneary

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fold, not close

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09-17-2010 , 08:12 PM

yaqh

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Originally Posted by u cnat spel

fold and it's not close.

and afaik, he doesn't post on 2+2.

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

fold, not close

so whats your calling ranges?

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09-17-2010 , 08:17 PM

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mersenneary

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Originally Posted by yaqh

so whats your calling ranges?

Q2dd+

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09-17-2010 , 08:18 PM

#11

Borg7

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Originally Posted by u cnat spel

fold and it's not close.

and afaik, he doesn't post on 2+2.

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

fold, not close

how is this not close given the facts stated in my previous posts?

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09-17-2010 , 08:21 PM

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yaqh

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

Q2dd+

you dont bet diamonds on the turn?

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09-17-2010 , 08:22 PM

#13

mersenneary

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Originally Posted by Borg7

how is this not close given the facts stated in my previous posts?

because it's an instant huge overshove over a sizable river bet from a reg who is generally pretty boring. even if he's "frisky" in your match, he's not instashove this bet on this board with one pair frisky.

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09-17-2010 , 08:23 PM

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spamz

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better question: what airballz does he have in his range that wouldn't bluffcatch but turn their hand into a bluff if he thinks you're so weak/bluffy?
bet turn also though i dont play deepstack so meh, i'd still bet it most of the time

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09-17-2010 , 08:25 PM

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Tortured Existence

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pretty easy fold, our range includes a ton of flushs;

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09-17-2010 , 08:26 PM

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mersenneary

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Originally Posted by yaqh

you dont bet diamonds on the turn?

If you were asking what hands I play this way until river and then call river, I dunno, some pair+dd I guess. but even if it's nothing it's still a fold, let's not go so far into theory equilibrium land we can't see the practicalities of the situation. Insta overshoves here are not indicative of high level exploitative made hand into a bluff superplay. They are flushes.

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09-17-2010 , 08:26 PM

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spamz

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Originally Posted by Tortured Existence

pretty easy fold, our range includes a ton of flushs;

if yours does you def need to work on your game lol

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09-17-2010 , 08:27 PM

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Borg7

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

this reg is certainly not "boring"...he was super aggro atleast vs me and i dont see why it's impossible for him to bluff in this spot given how weak my line must've been from his perspective

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09-17-2010 , 08:28 PM

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mersenneary

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yeah we have no flushes in our range really but it doesn't matter at all.

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09-17-2010 , 08:32 PM

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mersenneary

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Originally Posted by Borg7

i dont see why it's impossible for him to bluff in this spot given how weak my line must've been from his perspective

it's not impossible. it's also not 45% of his range or anywhere close.

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09-17-2010 , 08:33 PM

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yaqh

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

i wasnt really suggesting we should be calling w/ this particular hand w/o reads b/c of exploitability worries. more just meant that if we're getting to this river spot with no calling range at all it indicates that something is going wrong. fixing it probably involves betting turn with hands like the one we have and probably not bet/check/betting much at all when the board runs out this way.

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09-17-2010 , 08:35 PM

#22

Borg7

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Originally Posted by spamz0r

better question: what airballz does he have in his range that wouldn't bluffcatch but turn their hand into a bluff if he thinks you're so weak/bluffy?

he's basically floating the flop with tons of Ax and probably some other hands which he can turn into a bluff on the river

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09-17-2010 , 08:36 PM

#23

mersenneary

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Originally Posted by yaqh

more just meant that if we're getting to this river spot with no calling range at all it indicates that something is going wrong.

def don't agree.

I mean, I'd bet turn too, but there are plenty of times when we'll get into spots where none of our range is calling a huge overbet shove readless. If people bluffshoved in those spots more often then we would have a calling range. But they don't so we don't.

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09-17-2010 , 08:41 PM

#24

Newff

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SPEKTAH does post here sometimes.

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09-17-2010 , 08:43 PM

#25

Tortured Existence

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Originally Posted by spamz0r

if yours does you def need to work on your game lol

You are betting a2dd,5qdd on this turn?

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