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02-10-2011 , 12:17 AM
Villain folded ~80% of his buttons, and about as many of my opens(I minraised ATC), for 50 hands. He picked up KK like 20 hands in, I have AJ, 3bets me pre, check check flop, A on turn he bets 1/4 pot calls my reraise, 4 to straight on river(I hit it), he check calls a 4/5 pot bet from me. Other than that he pretty much just folded to any bet, but started changing drastically last 5-10 hands, lot more preflop 3bets and opening himself some.


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BB: t1050 35 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1950 65 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with T Q
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t180, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t360) J Q T (2 players)
BB bets t90, Hero raises to t360, BB calls t270

Turn: (t1080) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t510, BB folds

So **** that J, but my reasoning was: Can't give him a free card if he's drawing, and I don't wanna be faced w/ a river shove, so might as well put it in now. Judging by how little credit he seemed to be giving me I figure I'm likely ahead still. How bout the flop reraise sizing, what's the case for just shoving there?
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02-10-2011 , 02:49 AM
You turned your hand into a bluf while there was still good value to be had.
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02-10-2011 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mithras
You turned your hand into a bluf while there was still good value to be had.
Care to elaborate? Are you saying I should just check behind then get it in on the river?
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02-10-2011 , 05:11 AM
i still cant figure what the guy has here that would flat the flop raise, then barrel the turn. slowpklayed ak? aj is just horrendous if he has it. only hand that actually makes sense is qq. not sure how he can ever bet turn with aa or kk unless he knows u have q10.lol.
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02-10-2011 , 05:12 AM
spoil me please
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02-10-2011 , 09:00 AM
villain folded 80% to button raises, and 3bet you once with KK, this should be the most obvious fold ever preflop if you can run over him basically every hand.

As played it's fine, If I called pre I would look to get my money in on that flop (though overbet shoving is bad, i like your raise size), and although I hate the turn card I doubt I'm not shoving with a half pot bet left and st and flush draws out there.
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02-10-2011 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by chadders0
villain folded 80% to button raises, and 3bet you once with KK, this should be the most obvious fold ever preflop if you can run over him basically every hand.

As played it's fine, If I called pre I would look to get my money in on that flop (though overbet shoving is bad, i like your raise size), and although I hate the turn card I doubt I'm not shoving with a half pot bet left and st and flush draws out there.
Meh I think there's actually a pretty good case for overbet shoving, given that villain probablly likes his hand atm and a lot of cards that come will either put villain ahead of us or make him hate it.
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02-10-2011 , 09:09 AM
yes i agree with chadders, the pf call is really bad and it seems you make them routinely because you mention calling a 3bet with AJ against someone who folds 80% of buttons like it is standard and i think it is not good to put any money in any pot where he wants too and just raise ATC on very button and enjoy the money flowing when he folds to you in the bb and just sit back and make money and never ever give him action, unless you can setmine.
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02-10-2011 , 10:46 AM
shove flop

oh and fold pre
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02-10-2011 , 11:10 AM
How did no one catch this?

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but started changing drastically last 5-10 hands, lot more preflop 3bets and opening himself some.
Folding preflop is pretty atrocious imo, we have a really strong hand for calling a 3bet, and the kinds of monsters we flop have good implied odds vs. his range.

Seriously, it's called HUSNG not "who can be the biggest p***y preflop"
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02-10-2011 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by reallymonkeyish
How did no one catch this?



Folding preflop is pretty atrocious imo, we have a really strong hand for calling a 3bet, and the kinds of monsters we flop have good implied odds vs. his range.

Seriously, it's called HUSNG not "who can be the biggest p***y preflop"
+1
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02-10-2011 , 11:38 AM
lol k w/e

still a shove on flop.
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02-10-2011 , 11:49 AM
on turn I would do indicator bet about 300 to get value from draw , get fold from air, and I fold on shove because we beat nothing in this case.
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02-10-2011 , 12:00 PM
i missed the drastically changed part too, if this is the 3rd 3bet in 10 hands then call ainec, but I would have started openin to 2x pre

villain bets 1/4 pot on flop, doesn't look very happy about his hand imo, i did think raising to 300-400 is better but didnt really pay attention to PSR so yeh shove flop.
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02-10-2011 , 12:36 PM
well played iyam
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02-10-2011 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by wheattaco
spoil me please
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BB checks, Hero bets t510, BB folds
Dunno, I bet the turn he folded. Probably A10 at best, Maybe Kx, or an underpair even. He was very bad.
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02-10-2011 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Vroommmm
yes i agree with chadders, the pf call is really bad and it seems you make them routinely because you mention calling a 3bet with AJ against someone who folds 80% of buttons like it is standard and i think it is not good to put any money in any pot where he wants too and just raise ATC on very button and enjoy the money flowing when he folds to you in the bb and just sit back and make money and never ever give him action, unless you can setmine.
Assuming villain is only 3betting very strong: AJs is 35-65 against TT+, AJ+, and against a 3x 3bet I get 2 to 1 pot odds, so thats pretty good reason to call alone. But on top of that I'm in position, and villain is likely terrible. You're really laying down AJ there?

And then it's already been pointed out that villain switched it up a lot and began 3betting my opens often, so conservatively if he just widened his range to any AQKJ combo and 77+ im 35-65 again with 2 to 1 pot odds, In position and villain has now proven himself to play post flop atrociously. Seems right to me.
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02-10-2011 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chadders0
i missed the drastically changed part too, if this is the 3rd 3bet in 10 hands then call ainec, but I would have started openin to 2x pre

villain bets 1/4 pot on flop, doesn't look very happy about his hand imo, i did think raising to 300-400 is better but didnt really pay attention to PSR so yeh shove flop.
? I was, it was mentioned in the OP as well
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