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05-02-2016 , 10:59 PM
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PokerStars - $14.69+$0.31|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
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SB: 30.25 BB (VPIP: 38.71, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 31)
Hero (BB): 19.75 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 5

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 4 4 5
Hero checks, SB bets 3 BB, [color=red]Hero

Is it best just to jam here? or ch/r and call , or even flat is better?
Actually is our action depandant on his cbet sizing, like what do we do against 1,2,3,or 4 bb cbet?

Also if we just ch/r non ai and get called, like we dont like almost any card on turn, how do we play on on future streets?
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05-03-2016 , 08:34 AM
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I'd jam pre A5o just plays so poorly oop on so many flop

As played I think we need to take into consideration that we have the A of diamond which Blocks a lot of fd or backdoors
i would raise to ~7Bb and shove the remaing 11BB into 18BB on Most turn
I think if we jam there are not a lot of hands that call we are ahead against by small raising we keep something like Qt, Kj etc. In his range
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05-03-2016 , 09:09 AM
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Re preflop - I would guess the ev of shoving is reduced by the fact villain probably has a tightish opening range. That said, the ev from shoving may still beat the ev from flatting - maybe someone with a large database could answer definitively?

As played I'd shove flop - we're obviously happy to GII with TPTK and the A and it's not a disaster if we fold out hands like QJ, KQ etc.

Interested to hear thoughts from better players tho.
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05-03-2016 , 05:08 PM
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I think villain's pfr% is too low to 3bet shove pre. Your hand benefits a lot from protection, so I don't mind shoving the flop and folding out many overcards. You're probably still ahead pretty often when called, especially because the 3/4 pot cbet looks a lot like 5x (although it could also indicate a lower overpair, but that's pretty rare). I would be more inclined to x/r nai vs a small cbet. Did you have any reads on what his cbet sizing means?
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05-03-2016 , 10:44 PM
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Shoving pre is going to be clearly worse than flatting here.

C/raise flop nai call a shove.
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05-04-2016 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Nefirmative
Shoving pre is going to be clearly worse than flatting here.

C/raise flop nai call a shove.

Let me guess, U never c/raise all-in 20bb deep?
What is the stack size U prefer c/raise all-in here? 15bb and below?

Also, as played like U said, are U shoving any turn card?
If U had a flush draw, would U play same way or just flatting?

Thank U if answering my post
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05-04-2016 , 09:23 PM
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Let me guess, U never c/raise all-in 20bb deep?
What is the stack size U prefer c/raise all-in here? 15bb and below?

Also, as played like U said, are U shoving any turn card?
If U had a flush draw, would U play same way or just flatting?

Thank U if answering my post
Not on these boards. On some very wet boards (789s) with strong but vulnerable value (two pair etc) it can be pretty good.

I don't really c/raise all in on the flop above 10bb. Deeper than that and we can size our turn bets small and jam river, or raise bigger flop and jam turn. So long as you have that flexibility and you have hands that are happy to play multiple streets shoving is going to be pretty clearly worse, putting your hand against only the top of villains range.

Not shoving any turn card, Ax, 4x, 5x would be bad cards to just jam for example.

Flush draws love to call as a general rule, they're usually a bit too good to c/raise bluff.
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05-06-2016 , 02:02 AM
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Flat pre.

Don't hate x/shoving here given his 3/4 pot bet--he's likely feeling committed and will call with 2 overs and a flush draw anyways. Could see x/nai this deep being a bit better though Wouldn't worry about it too much tbh.
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