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Originally Posted by Kvaughan
Thanks a lot for this explanation.
Here's what I was thinking: villain is never folding Qx, probably never folding 8x and is not particularly likely to fold a decent PP. So, the part of his range I want to target to get extra value form is A high, smaller PPs and other marginal showdown hands. It seems to me that shoving the turn is just going to get those hands to fold whereas betting small might make them more likely to call. So, I wasn't trying to induce as much as I was trying to get hands not to fold.
Yeah this makes a lot of sense to me, and it's making me think that what you did was far from being clearly a mistake or wrong.
My main concern is squeezing max value on the flop and turn, where opponents are likeliest to continue in order to see the river and try to make their hand or go to showdown. So that would cause me to start off with a bigger flop bet. Then on the turn I'd notice that I have less than a pot-sized bet left. And I'd still be thinking that villain is likeliest to put chips in on this street with hands looking to improve than on the river when he knows he can no longer improve and conclusively has nothing. He can't call a river bet with nothing, and if we check the river, he basically has to bluff his stack (when he has non-showdown air) into a huge pot and pray you find a fold, or check behind and hope his Kx or Ax or ?? has showdown value. Meaning it's typically hard to get chips out of the weakest parts of his flop and turn continuing range on the river.
So stacks being what they are, I think a turn shove simply has more value and is more callable by still-hopeful overs/draws than a turn underbet + river check (or bet) combo.
But still, looking at the situation again, I don't personally see a problem with what you were going for, except that I'd jam on the river for value whereas you checked, which lets villain get away with checking behind way too often.
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Also, is "induce" restrictive to trying to get our opponents to raise or does induce also include getting our opponents to call?
I think it's fine to use it for both; context can make your meaning clear.