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02-12-2011 , 09:18 PM

De_Evolution

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Full Tilt Poker $10 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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BB: t1440 48 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1560 52 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 8

Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t120, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t240) 5

(2 players)
BB bets t240, Hero calls t240

Turn: (t720) 2

(2 players)
BB bets t1080 all in, Hero calls t1080

River: (t2880) 4

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Villains has lost 100BI at this stake over the last 3 months. He was too tight so far overall although he was getting tired of my consistent **** slapping. Turn is very interesting, I felt that if his range here was something like an overpair he would bet smaller or more value-like, flawed thinking or fine?

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02-12-2011 , 10:03 PM

Vroommmm

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i would be very interested in arguments of people who are not calling that turn. i can't think of any compelling.

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02-12-2011 , 10:18 PM

ohly

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Originally Posted by Vroommmm

i would be very interested in arguments of people who are not calling that turn. i can't think of any compelling.

villain always has AA here.

just kidding, i probably call too and tell myself how much of a disgrace i am when he shows me AA.

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02-12-2011 , 10:47 PM

De_Evolution

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thanks guys, villain showed KTs, Its close to the bottom of his range here not sure if i like it either.

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02-12-2011 , 10:59 PM

Barbra Streisand

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instacall

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02-12-2011 , 11:00 PM

wheattaco

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i think i would call. he probably has some spazzy king ten sooted. that would be my initial guess

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02-13-2011 , 12:45 AM

Mr.lova43

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Originally Posted by wheattaco

i think i would call. he probably has some spazzy king ten sooted. that would be my initial guess

looool, wouw could u really read that above? dude cmon

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02-13-2011 , 02:26 PM

jarejeremap

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I fold on turn without special reads . you beat only semi bluff type hands KQ, AK .

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02-13-2011 , 02:40 PM

IBustoYou

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I fold turn.. it seems like a protect with overpair (JJ+) vs str8 ...

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02-14-2011 , 12:29 AM

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dhcg86

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Originally Posted by De_Evolution

thanks guys, villain showed KTs, Its close to the bottom of his range here not sure if i like it either.

posting results ruins thread

Id raise flop also, and be relatively happy getting it in given pot size once you raise

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02-14-2011 , 03:50 AM

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FocusIRE

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ld minraise flop to induce

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02-14-2011 , 07:21 AM

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Grusbus

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Is it too tight to fold 87o to the 3bet here?

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02-14-2011 , 09:02 AM

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FocusIRE

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Originally Posted by Grusbus

Is it too tight to fold 87o to the 3bet here?

its right to fold vs unknown or tight player

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02-14-2011 , 04:58 PM

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IBustoYou

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Originally Posted by FocusIRE

its right to fold vs unknown or tight player

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02-14-2011 , 05:17 PM

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ohly

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no way. getting 3 to 1 and being in position makes this hand very playable against a min3bet.

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02-14-2011 , 05:33 PM

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c4st

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I r/c flop.

what would you have done when villain had bet 3/4 pot ott? any difference?

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02-15-2011 , 01:31 AM

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handwashinghistory

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Not a min3bet but your point stands. I think OP's line is fine, I lean toward ideal even given the description.

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02-15-2011 , 07:31 AM

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jarejeremap

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I fold without reads.

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02-15-2011 , 11:04 AM

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miniwiz

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Pretty easy fold,they always have it here,not a lot of draws in his range also.

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02-15-2011 , 12:25 PM

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Grusbus

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Originally Posted by handwashinghistory

Not a min3bet but your point stands. I think OP's line is fine, I lean toward ideal even given the description.

I wasn't saying that his line wasn't fine, i just think that unless i'm up against a very loose player i wouldn't be calling the 3bet with 87o and i'm wondering if that is wrong.

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02-15-2011 , 01:20 PM

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ohly

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Originally Posted by Grusbus

I wasn't saying that his line wasn't fine, i just think that unless i'm up against a very loose player i wouldn't be calling the 3bet with 87o and i'm wondering if that is wrong.

this highly depends on your and his postflop skills. i'd say you won't do a big mistake by folding preflop as you will get into some marginal spots and will have to fold postflop alot of the time. i still think flatting pre has a positive expectation.

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02-15-2011 , 01:59 PM

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Grusbus

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Originally Posted by ohly

Alright, thank you very much =)

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