Originally Posted by phos77

i opened the previous hand, got 3b, and folded.

MP guy and SB have reggy-looking stats. BB slightly more passive pre.

so what's the plan? and if anyone says "bet" i'm gonna bitchslap them in the face.

Poker Stars, $69 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: 1,902 (12.7 bb)
BTN: 3,405 (22.7 bb)
SB: 10,295 (68.6 bb)
BB: 5,070 (33.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 3,279 (21.9 bb)
UTG+2: 2,626 (17.5 bb)
MP1: 2,960 (19.7 bb)
MP2: 3,912 (26.1 bb)
MP3: 2,923 (19.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J J
Hero raises to 300, 3 folds, MP3 calls 300, 2 folds, SB calls 225, BB calls 150

Flop: (1,380) 6 7 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero

Originally Posted by ssnyc

bet 678

Originally Posted by ssnyc

I just said bet cause phos said not to say bet and I chose 678 cause the flop was 678

Originally Posted by CBorders

Why wouldn't we want weak opponents to take flops, often OOP since the blinds will call because of pot odds? This sounds like an ideal situation.

Originally Posted by timetowom

Mod troll

Originally Posted by HUHandEH

No disrepect to anyone that might've posted in this thread, I just think some of the best in the game already posted on this topic.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...ciated-321928/

Originally Posted by nutshot2

-i never minraise

Originally Posted by Spaztastic

I open 3x until the 50/100 level, ....
Never minraising though,........

Originally Posted by Big G

I normally raise 3xbb, unless the table has shown folds for less for a good amount of time. I just haven't been able to bring myself to go from 3x to 2.5x when the antes start.
I never open minraise.

Originally Posted by behemoth

ssnyc, what are your thoughts about minraising to pot massage
with huge implied odds? As far as set-mining, nice suited connectors...?
Particularly if you've seen minraises treated as limps by the table.

Originally Posted by unrealzeal

I NEVER min-raise open unless it's vs. a blind who's a chronic min-raiser. For some reason it gets under their skin and makes them misplay

Originally Posted by Khumalo

.....I must be the only tard here who min-raises from all positions and at all levels in
small-stakes tourneys when it's folded to me. This is probably due to my inexperience.

Originally Posted by ssnyc

....simply the 2X from EP with no antes is silly...with no antes we don't need to open 7 6 from EP...we need to be opening good hands
and by 2 xing we invite the entire field which makes for bad reverse implied odds.

Originally Posted by unrealzeal

oh didn't see the minraise phenomena...it's -ev but -ev over a long term in other words your draw like KQs is always worth more than 2x in fact any hand you care to play is worth more than a min raise the idea is to hand over the .2x you are losing for position so now so many hands are priced in pre that if you have an edge in skill post flop you can get back the .2x but that won't last
because a good player can take the extra money on his raises like i said min raise is not unexploitable it just takes a lot longer to exploit it. anyone min raising pre ante however is losing money they just don't know it coz it takes so long to even out.....

Originally Posted by Rnr_Rnr_Hobgoblin

I will never ever mini raise in any position (with no reads).

Originally Posted by Jiggymike

... I'm starting to think that min-raise opening deep in tournaments is the only way to go,...... just loving how much flexibility the minraise offers.

Originally Posted by Killnova

Very interesting I have been experimenting but far too short of a time to make any conclusions but I started min raising pre antes about half a year back. ......

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

....
I tend to read the minraise for weakness but if more and more people start using it all the time I'll have to rethink that.

Originally Posted by p3rc4

I am now officially a foot soldier of the minimum raise.

Originally Posted by unrealzeal

For the love of GOD ssnyc please delete that thread....its too much free info!!!

Incidentally...min raising gives +ev to the blind but a skilled player can win that back by outplaying their opponents but there is a very simple way to exploit a minraise and when everyone else besides me figures it out the min will disappear from tournament play

One of the reason min raises work is because tournament players are lol bad at playing flops....so there is definitely merit even tho its incorrect mathy-wise

Originally Posted by RAGENUT

sometimes when I have 82o I would rather the BB just ****ing fold

Originally Posted by RAGENUT

sometimes when I have 82o I would rather the BB just ****ing fold

Originally Posted by CBorders

Pray tell, where was it advocated that we disregard hand selection when opening?

Originally Posted by betgo

This is the kind of thing I object too. Postflop too. I mena what is this this bet size numbers? Like give a range. Or maybe discuss how villain might react and how you would follow up if you bet 1/4 pot or pot. There isn't one correct bet amount, certainly postflop.

Originally Posted by ssnyc

You did get that I was joking......right?

Originally Posted by betgo

Yeh, but don't understand posts like that with bet size amounts. Kind of silly IMO. Know you were joking about 678.

Originally Posted by ssnyc

Its been addressed many times before but in short...we should have a range of sizing based on what we want the best to accomplish....an odd bet size just makes it harder for random opponents to get a good feel for the pot size and also messes with their head a bit. If I want my bet to be in the 675 range I may bet 668 or 687 for no real reason but the amount will be in my target range based on my reason for the bet.

Obviously does not flow so much to live pokers...