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What to do turn? What to do turn?

02-25-2015 , 09:59 PM
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (IPoker)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, February 25, 08:44:49 ET 2015
Table 1000 Guaranteed 847094645 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( 6268 ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 9, AF: 3.0, Hands: 60
Seat 2: Player2 ( 6310 ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 7, AF: 2.9, Hands: 340
Seat 3: Hero
Seat 4: Player4 ( 3000 ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 12, 3B: 10, AF: 2.4, Hands: 291
Seat 5: Player5 ( 3000 ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 3.0, Hands: 616
Seat 6: Player6 ( 3654 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 300
Seat 8: Player8 ( 3742 ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 3, 3B: 4, AF: 0.6, Hands: 73
Seat 9: Player9 ( 3343 ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 24, 3B: 8, AF: 8.0, Hands: 34
Player2 posts small blind [40].
Hero posts big blind [80].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7s 7d ]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player8 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 raises [200]
Hero calls [160]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 5s, 6h ]
Player2 bets [320]
Hero calls [320]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
Player2 bets [640]


he seems tight but has 28 steel though, so think he is wide bvs blind. Not sure how often he is double barrelling worse though thoughts?
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02-25-2015 , 10:40 PM
I'd call again and probably fold river to a bet. We'll have huge amounts of Tx here blind vs blind.
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02-25-2015 , 10:45 PM
Pot bet here looks fishy. Call and reevaluate OTR
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02-25-2015 , 10:47 PM
I start with 3085, cut that out by mistake. Does that change anything?
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02-25-2015 , 10:56 PM
I would play the same way I noted above w/ that stack.
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02-26-2015 , 01:37 AM
2 streets not 3
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02-26-2015 , 02:03 AM
Meh we actually have an insane amount of Tx, much more than i originally assumed as I didn't realise we only got min raised pre flop. You could that you could possibly think about folding here, but it's fine to have some hands that are going to be folding to the river bet otherwise villain never bluffs the river from a theoretical point of view.
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02-26-2015 , 03:16 AM
At the time I felt like it was either fold or shove honestly. Especially with the board as wet as it is, he can have overs and flush or overs openended etc. It sucks to put that many percentage chips of your stack, into a call turn just to maybe fold river. Is there any merit to either folding now or jamming and freeze him out of his equity hands. Possibly get called from a6, 6x?

You keep saying I have an insane amount of Tx in my range,(not sure if you mean I should or I actually do) but.. shouldn't he also have a fair amount of Tx?

surprized no one said 3b.
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02-26-2015 , 07:57 AM
I'd fold no hands to his min raise pre flop, maybe I'm playing wider than you?
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02-26-2015 , 08:02 AM
its 2.5x pre and 4/5 psb otf ffs
usually we need 1 page of discussion only to come to agreement of what actually happened in teh hand

sucks we block 87,97 and a spade
guess we should fold if he proceeds with JJ+ and check 66- ott but generally it depends on how we react to big flop bet - if we fold overs then we should call here ofc.

Last edited by user12345; 02-26-2015 at 08:09 AM.
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02-26-2015 , 08:19 AM
To me it looks like a 3x pre-flop raise, or even 3.5x (only logical explanations I can have from the lines
Player2 raises [200]
Hero calls [160]
while Player 2 posted the SB of 40 before and Hero the BB of 80 before)

Turn bet is closer to 55-60% pot. Never a pot-sized bet, whatever your understanding of the text of the previous street is. (320 + 320 put in pot on flop, + at least a minraise and a call pre, which makes it at least 320 in the pot pre - in reality, the preflop pot probably amounts to 280+280=560, or 240+240=480).

Back to the actual hand:
I like just calling pre, especially in position.
Call flop seems standard.
On the turn, I call. And prefer a just-call nevertheless and plan to fold river.
While Tx is certainly a significant amount of our range, if we fold any non-T to the turn barrel (or sets and eventual overpairs), we are highly exploitable as Tx is still a small enough part of our range here to make a second barrel highly profitable for villain if we are likely to fold our 77, 6x, 5x,...
After we call the turn, I think our range merges more towards Tx (or sticky flush draws), which makes a 3rd barrel bluff less likely.

Last edited by scheier; 02-26-2015 at 08:26 AM.
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02-26-2015 , 08:26 AM
Yeah, maths isn't my strong point first thing in the morning . Ok I do fold some stuff to a 3x.
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02-26-2015 , 11:39 AM
Definitely a call on the turn and re evaluate the river. Mid stakes players will blindly fire away at times in these spots, while he could also be value betting worse hands as well here. I think we need to call the turn and then probably fold to most rivers if he decides to fire again.
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