Weird play?
12-14-2014
, 03:52 PM
This hand is from the $11 6-max turbo KO on stars yesterday. I was only one orbit in on this table. Not much read on others aside from this being a pretty active table, a few 3-bets or raise-c-bets that won without showdown, if anything I had a tight-passive image myself prior to this hand.
Here are my thought for the hand:
Given villain's small 3b sizing, with the position + chip lead, I felt like there's a chance that he's just trying to re-steal and that his range is pretty wide. Re-raising is probably not good in the long run, but I wouldn't expect him to have hands like AK AQ very often as those hands tend to want more chips in pre by raising bigger.
After that flop no c-bet, I was thinking v likely doesn't have over-pairs or AT KT-type hands either, since there would be no reason to stop betting. When v later called the turn, I put him exclusively on pockets, flop flush draws, or KJ type hands. I shoved river hoping he'd want to look me up with a jack or event a ten to collect my bounty
On retrospect I think the river shove is pretty silly. At the time I was very certain I had the best hand, and I didn't want to make a mistake by checking or betting small then folding to a busted draw when villain raises. I definitely overestimated the number of worse hands will call a shove in that spot, and I didn't expect there are too many hands that are better than mine given the way it's played.
Maybe putting out a blocking bet of say 1350 and folding to a raise is better, since v is prob not raising with hands worse than 2p (my image allows me to represent a strong range with way I played this hand, and that sizing leaves me with ~1.5k which would have no perceived fold equity). Some possible nutty hands v could still have at that spot are sets and back-door flushes that decided to not fire on a dry flop
Some of my assumptions are clearly incorrect, yet I wonder if those same assumptions are ones you would make when playing against an unknown. I was surprised to see v's hand in the end, a bit of a passive and unorthodox line, nevertheless it worked x.x
Lemme know how you would've played this hand. Would you call a raise if you donk-bet flop, would you check-call a turn bet - how abt a turn overshove, would you bet-fold river, would you open-fold pre etc.
Btw for those JCarver fans out there, you would think Jason would fold exactly 0% of the times in this hand - knowing he can show a profit in the long run. I generally have an edge post-flop at this stake, how -ev do you think is my call pre?
Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33374431
SB: 3,384 (22.6 bb)
BB: 10,430 (69.5 bb)
UTG: 9,400 (62.7 bb)
MP: 15,030 (100.2 bb)
Hero (CO): 4,440 (29.6 bb)
BTN: 13,585 (90.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
8
2 folds, Hero raises to 337, BTN raises to 750, 2 folds, Hero calls 413
Flop: (1,845) 7
Q T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: (1,845) J (2 players)
Hero bets 830, BTN calls 830
River: (3,505) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets 2,840 and is all-in, BTN calls 2,840
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33374431
SB: 3,384 (22.6 bb)
BB: 10,430 (69.5 bb)
UTG: 9,400 (62.7 bb)
MP: 15,030 (100.2 bb)
Hero (CO): 4,440 (29.6 bb)
BTN: 13,585 (90.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
82 folds, Hero raises to 337, BTN raises to 750, 2 folds, Hero calls 413
Flop: (1,845) 7
Q T (2 players)Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: (1,845) J
(2 players)Hero bets 830, BTN calls 830
River: (3,505) 5
(2 players)Hero bets 2,840 and is all-in, BTN calls 2,840
Spoiler:
Here are my thought for the hand:
Given villain's small 3b sizing, with the position + chip lead, I felt like there's a chance that he's just trying to re-steal and that his range is pretty wide. Re-raising is probably not good in the long run, but I wouldn't expect him to have hands like AK AQ very often as those hands tend to want more chips in pre by raising bigger.
After that flop no c-bet, I was thinking v likely doesn't have over-pairs or AT KT-type hands either, since there would be no reason to stop betting. When v later called the turn, I put him exclusively on pockets, flop flush draws, or KJ type hands. I shoved river hoping he'd want to look me up with a jack or event a ten to collect my bounty
On retrospect I think the river shove is pretty silly. At the time I was very certain I had the best hand, and I didn't want to make a mistake by checking or betting small then folding to a busted draw when villain raises. I definitely overestimated the number of worse hands will call a shove in that spot, and I didn't expect there are too many hands that are better than mine given the way it's played.
Maybe putting out a blocking bet of say 1350 and folding to a raise is better, since v is prob not raising with hands worse than 2p (my image allows me to represent a strong range with way I played this hand, and that sizing leaves me with ~1.5k which would have no perceived fold equity). Some possible nutty hands v could still have at that spot are sets and back-door flushes that decided to not fire on a dry flop
Some of my assumptions are clearly incorrect, yet I wonder if those same assumptions are ones you would make when playing against an unknown. I was surprised to see v's hand in the end, a bit of a passive and unorthodox line, nevertheless it worked x.x
Lemme know how you would've played this hand. Would you call a raise if you donk-bet flop, would you check-call a turn bet - how abt a turn overshove, would you bet-fold river, would you open-fold pre etc.
Btw for those JCarver fans out there, you would think Jason would fold exactly 0% of the times in this hand - knowing he can show a profit in the long run. I generally have an edge post-flop at this stake, how -ev do you think is my call pre?
