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02-17-2017 , 06:58 PM

zanardi1

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

Hey guys, long time without posting a hand.
Opener is 25/20 with 22% rfi ep in 190 hands, 3betor is 25/20 but was his first 3bet in like 60 hands.

WUG?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $100 Buy-in (12,000/24,000 blinds, 2,500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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Hero (SB): 1,542,231 (64.3 bb)
BB: 384,344 (16 bb)
UTG+2: 1,645,059 (68.5 bb)
MP1: 799,667 (33.3 bb)
MP2: 220,925 (9.2 bb)
MP3: 659,134 (27.5 bb)
CO: 370,002 (15.4 bb)
BTN: 974,727 (40.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

UTG+2 raises to 50,000, MP1 raises to 144,000, 4 folds, Hero??

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02-17-2017 , 07:05 PM

spand42

adept

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 758

I don't really like anything here, would be interesting to hear what others think. Any bubble things to take into account?

Calling seems gross when you're OOP and you're not closing the action

4betting is basically turning your hand into a bluff because you're likely only going to GII vs a range that crushes you.

Shoving is overkill with your stack size.

So I'd probably just nit it up and fold.

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02-22-2017 , 03:26 PM

zanardi1

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

Bump or not interesting at all?

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02-22-2017 , 10:11 PM

gregz41

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Gonna have to have a bottom of a 4b/c I'm afraid.

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02-23-2017 , 12:09 AM

user12345

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Gonna have to have a bottom of a 4b/c I'm afraid.

you really love that bottom of ranges

or Zan you could fold and let them have there early position action
not putting half of your huge stack at risk for high var potential +0.5bb spot in a sunday 109.

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Hey guys, long time without posting a hand.

but you shown up w/ a good one to share with us

JJ vs 3bet, like in old good times, nothing has really changed since then

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02-23-2017 , 12:14 AM

cicakman

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9,229

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Gonna have to have a bottom of a 4b/c I'm afraid.

No you don't. This is what betgo is talking about. Nonsense balance statements like this.

Reckon just fold.

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02-23-2017 , 07:33 AM

zanardi1

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

What about 4b/f to the OR and 4b/c to the 3 bettor?

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02-23-2017 , 09:20 AM

gregz41

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Originally Posted by zanardi1

What about 4b/f to the OR and 4b/c to the 3 bettor?

Yeah that seems OK.

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02-23-2017 , 10:41 AM

daviid

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,639

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Originally Posted by cicakman

No you don't. This is what betgo is talking about. Nonsense balance statements like this.

Reckon just fold.

lol

also yeah 4b/c against 3bettor. not loving it but i guess we kinda have to.

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02-23-2017 , 12:04 PM

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Voodoo974

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 565

I wouldn't have any 4b range here since I would never bluff without solid reads. So I would lean toward flat or fold, and here I prefer fold.

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02-23-2017 , 01:52 PM

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onehandatatime

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Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,381

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Originally Posted by zanardi1

What about 4b/f to the OR and 4b/c to the 3 bettor?

With MP1 stack size I think they might just jam 99-QQ+AK and 3/bet KK, AA? Plus it's their first 3 bet in 60 hands? I just don't see a good scenario here for you. I think I fold.

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02-25-2017 , 11:37 AM

#12

OutPlayU27

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Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,688

Man, i found myself in this spot a lot lately, and have no idea what´s best.
MP looks pretty bladed i´ll say, 3betting a big stack that opens UTG, w/ 6 players left to act, on last 2 tables. (i think this is JJ+/AK)
Whitout any reads i´ll fold, but is pretty gross.

Last edited by OutPlayU27; 02-25-2017 at 11:38 AM. Reason: he obv gonna have some 3bet bluffs like KQ,AJ and some suited Ax, but meh

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02-25-2017 , 04:25 PM

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zanardi1

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

Seems very close either way, wold fold TT, AQs, unsure about AK also.

Decided to 4bet and fold to OR and call vs the 3 bettor. 3bettor had QQ obv.

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02-25-2017 , 08:31 PM

#14

cicakman

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Too many chips. 33bb is alot worse than 99bb is good

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