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06-28-2016 , 11:40 AM
Last level on day 1 of a 100$ MTT at a local cardroom. Had been playing aggressive but tighten up for last hour or so because opponents had picked up on my aggression.

Hero has 57bb
Villain has 65bb and plays pretty straightforward, he is a regular in these mid stakes mtts. Had seen him play some hands aggressively but usually just plays his hand.

Action PF: Villain on cutoff raises 2bb, button folds, smallblind calls, Hero has JJ and 3bets to 6.5bb. Villain 4bets to 11bb. smallblind folds, hero calls.

Flop: A 7 7 rainbow. Hero checks, villain checks behind.

Turn: 9 - Hero bets 1/3 pot, villain tank calls.

River: 9 - Hero jams, Villain tanks for 5min and calls it off with KK


What u guys think??? I put him exactly on KK or QQ, and tried to buy that Ace...I played the hand exactly like i would if i had AK or AQ.
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06-28-2016 , 02:57 PM
Don't run these bluffs in 100 live mtts
Make money by playing ABC

It's not very good bluffs vs min 4bet
He would have trap AA quite often, few AK, some weak Ax
And yes he made terrible call

Squeeze larger at least 8-10bb pre
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06-29-2016 , 10:25 PM
^^^ agree with what user12345 said
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06-30-2016 , 02:15 PM
i couldnt help myself when the opportunity arose. I knew that he didnt held an A especially AA, since he insta checked the flop and seemed like the A really hurt him. From his face i could tell he hated the flop and I had to try and bluf this. Yes, I understand that in the low live buy in events ABC is the way to go, but still he seeemed like he could fold and if he did I would have almost doubled my stack without showdown.. i thinks theres merit to my play, especially since he tanked for like 5 min before tossing in the call with a painfull face
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06-30-2016 , 03:05 PM
What does your flat 4b range look like, OP?

Last edited by gregz41; 07-01-2016 at 03:45 PM.
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06-30-2016 , 09:29 PM
You needed to lead out with a nice bet on the A high flop. Once you checked, the opportunity for the pot was gone. Then you turn bet was 1/3 of the pot and he knows he's good.
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07-01-2016 , 09:35 AM
Terrible
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07-01-2016 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mmtruesaw
You needed to lead out with a nice bet on the A high flop. Once you checked, the opportunity for the pot was gone. Then you turn bet was 1/3 of the pot and he knows he's good.
Whut?

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Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
Terrible
This
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07-01-2016 , 03:01 PM
You could have gotten away with it if the river does not double pair the board. Once the second 9 comes OTR he will not belive you are betting any Ace even AK for value.
Worst river card to execute this bluff, when he tank calls turn you can put him on KK or QQ exactly since AA would have raised turn.
Getting a solid reg to fold KK or QQ with 50+bb effective is definitely possible on A high/paired board.
I like the general idea around what you did but imo you should have checked back in this instance since he is way less likely to belive you are value betting any A on a double paired board
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07-02-2016 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aross76
I like the general idea around what you did but imo you should have checked back in this instance since he is way less likely to belive you are value betting any A on a double paired board
why wouldnt you v bet on a double paired board?
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07-15-2016 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by aross76
You could have gotten away with it if the river does not double pair the board. Once the second 9 comes OTR he will not belive you are betting any Ace even AK for value.
Worst river card to execute this bluff, when he tank calls turn you can put him on KK or QQ exactly since AA would have raised turn.
Getting a solid reg to fold KK or QQ with 50+bb effective is definitely possible on A high/paired board.
I like the general idea around what you did but imo you should have checked back in this instance since he is way less likely to belive you are value betting any A on a double paired board
I dont think the river changed anything at all. He doesnt have any 9's on his 4bet range pre flop, so if I had Ak/AQ i could value bet this doubled paired board without any problem.
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07-15-2016 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
Terrible
why?
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07-15-2016 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
What does your flat 4b range look like, OP?
from the BB im thinking something like 10-10+, AQs+...what about urs given tis exact situation?
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07-15-2016 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vintage70s
from the BB im thinking something like 10-10+, AQs+...what about urs given tis exact situation?
It looks like we're the SB. Villain made it pretty cheap for us with the 4bet so I think I'm going to peel a lot of my 3bet range as a result. With the range you're playing here though, the idea of bluffing isn't too bad, but TT is a lot better because we beat less hands.
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07-15-2016 , 03:25 PM
Min 4-bets are often a betting tell and IMO immediately polarize villain's range to QQ+ and AK, full stop. Because you didn't 5-bet you also capped your range. (not saying you should have, but it just did) There's a part of me that thinks folding pre-flop was the right idea.

As played, and if you want to bluff...because you're out of position, in this spot if I'd check raise the first bet villain makes. It's probably the only way you can represent a hand that beats what's in villain's likely range with what you're holding. If the villain calls or raises you know you're no good.

Otherwise, I'd check/fold. In that spot there's so little you're up against that you're ahead of and it's going to be very hard to rep an A because it is a relatively small part of your 4-bet call range.
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07-19-2016 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
It looks like we're the SB. Villain made it pretty cheap for us with the 4bet so I think I'm going to peel a lot of my 3bet range as a result. With the range you're playing here though, the idea of bluffing isn't too bad, but TT is a lot better because we beat less hands.
We're the BB.
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07-19-2016 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Vintage70s
We're the BB.
Gotcha. I saw we didn't have position. I still feel the same way though.
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