Turn spot with AK in Kickoff - MTT Poker Strategy - Multi Table Tournament Poker Forum

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy No Limit Tournaments

Turn spot with AK in Kickoff

Post Reply Subscribe

...

09-07-2014 , 10:13 PM

abcdefgrl

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 336

Hey,

Villain in this hand was runnng like 25/19/3, was a bit fishy but not terrible. My image was tightish.

I felt like there was a decent chance i was in front after flop, but is this shove too thin given i don't have a backdoor draw?

[hand_history]Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30321751

BB: 1,992 (10 bb)
UTG+1: 7,161 (35.8 bb)
UTG+2: 8,126 (40.6 bb)
MP1: 13,595 (68 bb)
MP2: 10,400 (52 bb)
MP3: 3,338 (16.7 bb)
CO: 10,614 (53.1 bb)
BTN: 9,462 (47.3 bb)
Hero (SB): 5,305 (26.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

3 folds, MP2 raises to 440, 3 folds, Hero raises to 980, BB folds, MP2 calls 540

Flop: (2,385) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets 900, MP2 calls 900

Turn: (4,185) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets 3,400 and is all-in

Quote

09-08-2014 , 12:06 PM

flettl2

adept

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 746

OOP you need to make your 3bet bigger, especially with AK, because every time you 3bet ppl put u on AK, so they are going to play near perfect against you. This is a tough stack size since you are a little above 25bbs. With <=25bbs I'd say just ship it preflop. Here I'd make it 3x his raise or around 1200.
Given your stack sizes I think your cbet also needs to be smaller. Make it 1/3 pot. I would shut down on the turn he's not folding a pair with a spade, (or a monster obviously) which would be most of his flop calling range. The hands you do fold out would be things like AsJx, KsQx. But a hand like AsJx might raise flop and not even be in his flatting range.

Quote

09-08-2014 , 01:19 PM

timchuk

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,523

I agree with flett make 3 bet larger to 1200 or so. And also shut down on turn after C bet. Check his fold to C bet % cause kickoff has lots of satellite players and some will be calling stations.

Quote

09-08-2014 , 01:50 PM

imag1ne

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 338

Agree w/ others, but, if V is a complete fish, I'd make it more ~1500-1600 pre to get max value. Otherwise, 1100-1300 is fine pre to get max value.

OTF, this is a decent board to bet 1/3 to bluff and fold to reraise/be wary OTT if V calls OTF.

Quote

09-09-2014 , 11:53 AM

Alexo

old hand

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 1,245

depends on how you play these spots. Shoving isn't too bad, 3bet bigger for sure. But it all comes down to how you balance your range, I'm probably shoving AQ/AK/55-TT and 3betting blockers/JJ+

Quote

09-10-2014 , 03:29 PM

gregz41

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,609

Much bigger pre and probably check flop with intention of folding. His bluff catchers are just going to have so much equity and when you make it so small pre, he's going to be really tempted to see a flop with anything suited.

Quote

09-15-2014 , 08:38 AM

abcdefgrl

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 336

thanks for the responses and point taken re the 3 bet sizing

villain snapped with 6h4c so bit bigger pre prob gets him off it

Quote

09-16-2014 , 04:44 AM

wowsooooted

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

Im usually in reship mode when im =<25bb so im proly jamming pre but I play alot of tables and my style is to fire up another if I bust, dont mind 3b if we are playing a lower variance style.

Quote

09-16-2014 , 04:45 AM

Snatch Adams

journeyman

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 260

I really thought it said, "my image was tightfish."

Quote

09-16-2014 , 05:14 AM

#10

Dragons_Egg

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,861

Usually inclined to jam this pre.

Quote

09-16-2014 , 06:09 AM

#11

gregz41

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,609

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg

Usually inclined to jam this pre.

You can't really induce when you jam 26bb

Quote

09-16-2014 , 07:12 AM

#12

ArtanisAce

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 470

I make 3x pre, and c/f the flop most of the time unless he is tight as hell

Quote

09-16-2014 , 10:56 AM

#13

betgo

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg

Usually inclined to jam this pre.

Think push is fine OOP and versus a random who will flat the 3-bet a lot.

Quote

09-16-2014 , 01:34 PM

#14

betgo

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregz41

You can't really induce when you jam 26bb

You can't induce versus this kind of player. A typical random in a $20 is likely to call a wider range if you shove than he will push if he 3-bet normally.

He is likely to play well against mid pp and big ace hands, so I can see an argument to shove those, and just 3-bet normally with JJ+ or QQ+ and some bluffs.

Quote

09-16-2014 , 01:41 PM

#15

gregz41

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,609

Just because he flats, doesn't mean we aren't inducing. Sizing is an issue as stated, but jamming is pretty lazy.

Quote

09-16-2014 , 02:05 PM

#16

betgo

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregz41

Just because he flats, doesn't mean we aren't inducing. Sizing is an issue as stated, but jamming is pretty lazy.

How can we be inducing if he doesn't push wider to a 3-bet than he calls a push? We may be inducing him to flat call some hands he would fold to a push, but do we really want that?

Quote

09-16-2014 , 05:26 PM

#17

Snatch Adams

journeyman

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 260

Fold pre.

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...