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01-15-2017 , 06:03 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 275/550 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


109/100k

Halfway through r/e, thoughts on line, and otr guess we have 4 lines to consider depending on sizing...

UTG: 26,064 (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
UTG+1: 13,053 (VPIP: 16.04, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 3.61, Hands: 187)
MP: 17,598 (VPIP: 29.73, PFR: 20.55, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 75)
CO: 27,560 (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 13.24, Hands: 146)
BTN: 7,123 (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 47,731 (VPIP: 23.51, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 1,534)
Hero (BB): 31,335

7 players post ante of 55, SB posts SB 275, Hero posts BB 550

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,210) Hero has J K

UTG raises to 1,650, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1,100

Flop: (3,960, 2 players) K T 7
Hero checks, UTG bets 1,980, Hero calls 1,980

Turn: (7,920, 2 players) K
Hero bets 2,025, UTG calls 2,025

River: (11,970, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, UTG bets 7,980, Hero ?
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01-15-2017 , 08:26 PM
Don´t like lead size at all, why make it so small? Id rather check again than lead small, would make at least half pot.
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01-16-2017 , 03:12 AM
turn is kinda strange, small leads like this usually make sense where you would have a big advantage in Kx hands, and you don't seem to here vs. a 3x pre.

riv seems odd too, why would you not have a vbet? Villain doesn't have too many flushes but does have a lot of bluffcatchers and Hero has a good mix of bluffs and value, so it seems like a clear lead.
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01-16-2017 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
turn is kinda strange, small leads like this usually make sense where you would have a big advantage in Kx hands, and you don't seem to here vs. a 3x pre.

riv seems odd too, why would you not have a vbet? Villain doesn't have too many flushes but does have a lot of bluffcatchers and Hero has a good mix of bluffs and value, so it seems like a clear lead.
Def agree w the otr lead, was thinking ~3400/f ?...curious why you don't think he has that many flushes tho? I think 8-handed, he has every Axss, QJss-JTss.. ? OTT, had planned to lead all Kx we defend(prob bottom w K9s) vs the 3x open, mainly because of his bway and ss combos, that want to xb ott, and deny their realis of equity along w value vs AA-JJ

Last edited by AmpeFund; 01-16-2017 at 08:21 AM.
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01-16-2017 , 03:11 PM
The lead OTR is too small, but if we are leading then I think we need to continue OTR w/a bet/fold. Checking just opens us up to having to make tough decisions such as these. Villain def can have a lot of flushes here, and I can see other Kx or other value hands checking back OTR, it's a bluffcatcher at best.
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01-18-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AmpeFund
Def agree w the otr lead, was thinking ~3400/f ?...curious why you don't think he has that many flushes tho?
Yeah he definitely has some, I more meant relative to Hero usually he's gonna be limited to SCs and the broadway flushes whereas Hero would defend almost any two suited cards pre. But I forgot the open was 3x pre so Hero probably doesn't have many more flushes actually.

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Originally Posted by AmpeFund
OTT, had planned to lead all Kx we defend(prob bottom w K9s) vs the 3x open, mainly because of his bway and ss combos, that want to xb ott, and deny their realis of equity along w value vs AA-JJ
Yeah I understand why you did that and it does make some sense. Exploitable vs. better opponents, ofc. But if you want to deny equity why are you making it so small?? I don't think you have basically any FE with this bet bc all his unmade hands are at least ace high +gutshot.
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01-18-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
Yeah I understand why you did that and it does make some sense. Exploitable vs. better opponents, ofc. But if you want to deny equity why are you making it so small??
Estimated quickly that value vs rev equity combos to us, was pretty equal w our J blocker ..but also I don't think we have to barrel off ai otr when we add hands like (ATs, QTs, JTs) QJss and smaller spade hands and still have effective river lines...Vs the value portion of his range we get an extra bet in, otr, but can still b/c, and b/f when the flush comes in

I get that checking this exact distribution is the preferred line tho. And if we are only doing this with our few Kx combos, yes its unbalanced, and may want to bet larger both for value and eqden...but it also makes a b/c-b/f otr line less appealing
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