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06-25-2017 , 04:18 PM

dawalt

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 27

UTG+2 playing like an absolute maniac. Constantly going all in pre or on every flop.
CO playing straight forward 19/15 over 47 hands. Think this is first time he has 3bet this tourney

It was near enough guaranteed UTG+2 was going to go all in which I would've called if CO wasn't involved.

Seemed a lot to be calling off considering CO 3bet pre and jammed with me still to act

is this a call due to maniac or fold due to CO'S Actions
would it be better to 4bet pre knowing UTG would go all in so id know better where I stood with CO?

IPoker, $45.50 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 9,208 (18.4 bb)
BB: 30,785 (61.6 bb)
UTG+1: 44,958 (89.9 bb)
UTG+2: 19,975 (40 bb)
MP1: 19,880 (39.8 bb)
MP2: 47,300 (94.6 bb)
MP3: 28,436 (56.9 bb)
CO: 44,609 (89.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): 42,871 (85.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 500, 2 folds, MP3 calls 500, CO raises to 2,500, Hero calls 2,500, 2 folds, UTG+2 raises to 19,935 and is all-in, MP3 folds, CO raises to 44,569 and is all-in, Hero folds

Flop: (43,980) 5

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (43,980) A

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (43,980) 5

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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06-25-2017 , 05:46 PM

dawalt

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 27

Just realised the pot wasn't 3bet!!!
Is this still a call?

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06-25-2017 , 11:38 PM

ECJENSEN56

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,424

3 bet / call pre, gross spot with AK this deep but with dynamic of maniac involved and CO surely aware of this and trying to iso prob just have to go with it.

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06-26-2017 , 12:35 AM

Starpoker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 594

Is getting AI for 85bb against a guy you just described as "not out of line" and "hasn't 3b" with AKo a good outcome? Calling AI here is going to be a substantial -EV play if we range CO as TT+/AK

With such a large raise pre, this is a spot where CO clearly has a real hand and wants to stack-a-donk. Once he calls, TT is the best you can hope for.

You could 3b pre to 12bb hoping to squeeze him out vs. UTG, but if CO goes AI after a 3b, i'm not calling him. I think your line was perfectly reasonable, just an unfortunate spot.

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06-26-2017 , 01:42 PM

user12345

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

Fine as played
But yeah 3bet pre when its already 4way

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06-27-2017 , 01:25 PM

gregz41

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8k/get it in pre.

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06-27-2017 , 03:46 PM

2pairsof2s

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Originally Posted by gregz41

8k/get it in pre.

As usual, what he said.

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06-27-2017 , 03:50 PM

jpgiro

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Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,428

CO raise is probably fairly standard limper punishment, so I don't read much into it. I think gregz41 is spot on about 8k 3-bet as the sizing. Think flatting AK in 4-way pot is questionable at best, although against a single EP open mixing in AK as a flat *very* occasionally isn't that bad.

As played, once UTG+2 and CO re-jams we're pretty much committed to getting our stack in with our hand, especially if we think the UTG+2 is way out of line.

Last edited by jpgiro; 06-27-2017 at 03:59 PM.

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06-30-2017 , 04:10 AM

dapperdan08

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Originally Posted by gregz41

8k/get it in pre.

This is a dream spot due to dynamic. So yeah 3bet to 8k and as played call off.

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06-30-2017 , 09:47 PM

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zanardi1

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

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Originally Posted by gregz41

8k/get it in pre.

Was thinking about 8,9k/c, but as others said gregz is usually spot on.

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07-01-2017 , 08:24 AM

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oldsilver

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Never ever folding

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07-01-2017 , 10:34 AM

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hitchens97

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you have blockers to AA/KK, and CO may well have flatted the shove with these, I think I sigh shove and expect to see QQ/JJ/TT a lot from him.

And I like the 4b pre as well, because if UTF+2 shoves CO probably folds all but AK, QQ+ and possibly even just KK+

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08-01-2017 , 09:44 AM

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Onlythenuzt

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 380

OP it's only tricky if you were still in the hand and suspected your villains of making a set or trips which if he had 77 become a house on the river.

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08-01-2017 , 10:15 PM

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bptuneman

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Originally Posted by gregz41

8k/get it in pre.

Started to write a response, but it all comes back to this, as I would be pissed later if I took any other line.

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08-02-2017 , 05:20 PM

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FU_UIGEA

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 54

I like your lay down! Its a gross spot and it sux but given the cutoffs actions and table image and it multiway where your outs could be less its a very good disciplined fold.

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