Tough river spot with 2 pair - MTT Poker Strategy - Multi Table Tournament Poker Forum

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy No Limit Tournaments

Tough river spot with 2 pair

Post Reply Subscribe

...

01-19-2015 , 07:21 AM

aka-combat89

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 440

Hi all,

£100 live tournament, the bubble has just burst. 170 left out of 1700 ish.

Average stack is 600k. We have 650k. Villain has 900k. Only played with him for an hour so not a lot of history.

Blinds are 10k/20k with 3k ante. 10 handed

Villain raises the hijack to 40k. We call on the button with AsJh. Both blinds fold.

Flop is Ah 5h 6d. Villain bets 50k, we call.

Turn is 2d. Villain bets 65k, we call.

River is Jd. Villain checks, we bet 85k. Villain moves all in. We have 360k ish behind.

What do we do and why? Any thoughts on this hand greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Quote

01-19-2015 , 12:31 PM

oldsilver

MTTLivePro

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,941

1700 runners live? that's huge! where was this?

3bet pre

as played, i don't see what you beat. maybe A2 A5 A6, but he c/c's a lot of these. sick laydown if you did. I think he has diamond flush.

Quote

01-19-2015 , 12:41 PM

aka-combat89

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 440

It was at DTD in Nottingham, UK. This was day 2 and they had about 10 day 1's!

Yea I should have 3bet pre .. I ended up laying it down as i really didn't feel like I was beating anything.

Quote

01-19-2015 , 02:25 PM

CrunkMonkey

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,304

I'd bet bigger on the river and yeah, prob folding to that shove.

Quote

01-19-2015 , 05:43 PM

dalmor

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 5

he could have sensed weakness in your river bet. Live that would be a pretty strong move. If I don't call if getting re popped on the river i would probably just check and see what happens. Could you have given off a tell? How did you like that river?

Quote

01-19-2015 , 05:53 PM

HALSTER

old hand

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,602

Eggy spot, without being able to pick up on any history./tells etc. i guess its a super reluctant fold.

Quote

01-20-2015 , 12:18 AM

oldsilver

MTTLivePro

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,941

Failing to bet this river is losing value from every Ax in V range - a huge number of combos. Only a question of sizing and whether b/f or b/c.

His c/jam range probably shouldn't have any Ax except AA so it's a reasonable b/f imo. ****ty spot, but play for long enough in any given tournament and it's almost certain you're going to face a very similar unexpected spot. Good fold imo.

Quote

01-20-2015 , 12:27 AM

FatsoFat6969

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,987

bet more on the river and fold to a jam

Quote

01-20-2015 , 02:28 AM

wowsooooted

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

I would fold here too, we only beat a bluff and I dont think he would bluff in this fashion, it just seems way to sick, I think hes rolling over a better hand here alot more times then he rolls over a worse one, np if you folded

Quote

01-20-2015 , 06:41 AM

#10

user12345

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

Seems weird how his much smaller his turn sizing compared to flop one.

Quote

01-20-2015 , 02:09 PM

#11

kurt23x

grinder

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 400

I'm not sure why villain wouldn't just bet the river himself after we call flop and turn if he happened to back door into a flush or has a set or anything that would be beating us. I would have a hard time folding this spot, but I could also see some numb nuts check/shoving this river with the nuts when he should just be betting the river for max value himself. It would basically be the wrong play at the right time, lol. That being said, I can understand if you decided to fold this spot as well.

Quote

01-21-2015 , 03:34 AM

#12

Mrspiky

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 352

That s a strange line, and if people fold 2 pairs enough of the time I should try it out!

As played I fold as well, people tend to do this with the nuts.

To OP: do you play in Luton as well?

Sent from my C2105 using 2+2 Forums

Quote

01-21-2015 , 03:40 AM

#13

oldsilver

MTTLivePro

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,941

yeah turn sizing is weird, but live amateurs block bet turns with flush draws to see a river (they should be bombing the turn to add fold equity to flush equity, but w/e)

then the check on the river is coz he it his nutz and he wants to get a bet from your missed draws, weaker Ax and bluff, and in best case scenario your sets and 2prs that slow played or hit the river.

OP did fine.

Quote

01-21-2015 , 05:40 AM

#14

aka-combat89

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 440

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrspiky

Yes people do tend to do it with then nuts.

Yea I play in Luton too, have we played together?

Quote

01-21-2015 , 05:41 AM

#15

aka-combat89

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 440

Thanks for all your comments. Nice to hear you think I made the correct laydown.

Quote

01-21-2015 , 07:29 AM

#16

LittleGoliath

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3,921

200'ish+ river, ez fold if he jams then, almost no one is that ambitious to bluff you of a hand when you already invested >half of your stack, also we want value of his one pair hands
pre is fine btw, no need to 3bet/fold IP

Quote

01-21-2015 , 07:29 AM

#17

Mrspiky

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 352

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka-combat89

Yes people do tend to do it with then nuts.

Yea I play in Luton too, have we played together?

I play at the Genting a couple of times a week, Saturdays are my fav because of the better structure, but I go there on other days too depending on free time and tourneys (I do not play anything with 20mins clock or under) and I always play the 2-day tournaments.

I used to go to the Grosvenor more often, but atm tourneys are better at the Genting imo.

Anyway if you want to discuss some hands I am always available, just shoot me a PM.

Quote

01-21-2015 , 07:44 AM

#18

user12345

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

At this level in this post I think 3betting pre is clearly better.

Quote

01-21-2015 , 10:24 AM

#19

pkratitsbest

veteran

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,035

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldsilver

1700 runners live? that's huge! where was this?

3bet pre

as played, i don't see what you beat. maybe A2 A5 A6, but he c/c's a lot of these. sick laydown if you did. I think he has diamond flush.

3bet/get in or 3bet/fold?
both option kinda suck

Quote

01-21-2015 , 03:53 PM

#20

oldsilver

MTTLivePro

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,941

3b/f

Quote

01-22-2015 , 01:08 PM

#21

DoGGz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 17,315

3bf pre does not suck. Would 3b pre against anyone I felt was decent player. Only flat against bad nits and bad spazzy recs.

Quote

01-22-2015 , 11:03 PM

#22

imag1ne

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 338

Fold OTR, prob has diamonds like 78s

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...