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Tough Flop Decision late in 0 dollar Tourney Tough Flop Decision late in 0 dollar Tourney

08-22-2016 , 03:36 PM
I'm on the button, blinds are 500 1000, 200 ante. I have about 30K in chips. Villain is in small blind, chip leader. LAG is directly on my right.

LAG open limps, I limp with KQ off behind him. Chip leader bumps it up to 3K.

we all call.

Flop comes KQJ rainbow. Villain checks, LAG leads out for 2K. I raise to 6K.

Villain bumps it up to 15K. LAG folds. Whats our play?

Is my 6K raise just lighting chips on fire? Can I get away from the hand at his point?

**Villian is middle aged white guy, clean cut. Seems like a pretty ABC player.
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08-23-2016 , 06:00 PM
Raise 2,800 after LAG's limp (unless he has shown the tendency to limp-shove).

As played, shove now and hope that Villain has AA,AK, KQ or KJ.
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08-24-2016 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AALegend
Raise 2,800 after LAG's limp (unless he has shown the tendency to limp-shove).

As played, shove now and hope that Villain has AA,AK, KQ or KJ.
I would probably have to disagree that villain has AA or AK here. He would pretty much always lead with those or just check call. I think his range is 910suited, A10, a set or two pair and obviously possibly a bluff but I'm really doubting that.
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08-24-2016 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Leveled7722
I would probably have to disagree that villain has AA or AK here. He would pretty much always lead with those or just check call. I think his range is 910suited, A10, a set or two pair and obviously possibly a bluff but I'm really doubting that.
Yeah this is more what I was thinking. However, i didn't think that he was raising pre flop with A10 or 9 10 Suited. So thats even less hands that beat me. Maybe I gave him too much credit for being tight. Regardless I mucked but am still not sure it was the right play.

A player I respect at the table said I was beat fwiw..
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08-24-2016 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TommyTD
Yeah this is more what I was thinking. However, i didn't think that he was raising pre flop with A10 or 9 10 Suited. So thats even less hands that beat me. Maybe I gave him too much credit for being tight. Regardless I mucked but am still not sure it was the right play.

A player I respect at the table said I was beat fwiw..
Yeah it feels like a set most likely but if he was a big cheap leader he could have A10 (suited or os) and 910s in his range I would think to raise in that spot.

Best case scenario he has same hand or KJ
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08-24-2016 , 11:16 AM
Prefer iso-pre, ~3k seems fine..limping along, not terrible tho. w/e on the call to SBs bad sizing.
Call the 2k the first time...can gii now
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08-24-2016 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AmpeFund
Prefer iso-pre, ~3k seems fine..limping along, not terrible tho. w/e on the call to SBs bad sizing.
Call the 2k the first time...can gii now
Yes in retrospect I totally agree that I should have bumped it up pre flop. Not sure why I didn't, probably because I was newer to the table and minimal reads. I still want to ship the flop after being reraised but feel that its close to a fold as well.

I folded because I was trying to survive and thought it was a slightly better option than call/ship, but didn't get too many opportunities after this..
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08-25-2016 , 01:49 AM
Iso preflop

GII and pray for KQ/KJ/QJ/KT/AK/AA on flop.

I couldn't get away from that hand.
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08-25-2016 , 08:24 PM
raise accomplishes very little just flat the 2k, would prefer to get value on future streets
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08-25-2016 , 09:23 PM
LAG open limps. Makes sense.
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08-26-2016 , 12:56 AM
Always raising preflop here against a pre-flop limper.

I think I'm probably flatting flop here more often than not to get value from worse. I want one-pair hands and drawing hands to stick around.

As played, probably thinking a 3-bet range for villain on the flop looks something like this, taking into account the remote possibility there might some semi-bluffs in play:
TT+, AKs, ATs, KJs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, AKo, ATo, KQo

Against that range you're ~45%. Considering the size of the pot already and the fact you only have 21K behind, I think getting it in is +EV unless there were significant ICM considerations. (i.e., you're close to the money bubble or you're in the money and there are significant pay jumps)
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