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05-20-2015 , 10:38 PM

PocketAcesA5

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Hey 2p2, would like some opinions about Pre flop and flop. This is a $27 Scoop, itm. I just got moved to the table and have no info.

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Poker Stars, $24.55 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players

MP2: 13,830 (11.5 bb)
MP3: 5,128 (4.3 bb)
CO: 33,260 (27.7 bb)
BTN: 44,786 (37.3 bb)
SB: 62,870 (52.4 bb)
BB: 11,480 (9.6 bb)
UTG+1: 31,293 (26.1 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): 95,991 (80 bb)
MP1: 26,398 (22 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q

UTG+1 raises to 2,400, Hero calls 2,400, MP1 folds, MP2 calls 2,400, 5 folds

Flop: (10,350) 8

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets 28,743 and is all-in, Hero ?

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05-20-2015 , 10:54 PM

jayme87

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I call

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05-20-2015 , 10:59 PM

PocketAcesA5

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Originally Posted by jayme87

I call

Thanks for replying but this reply is almost useless but appreciated.

I wouldn't mind some elaboration on replies, thanks.

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05-20-2015 , 11:06 PM

Darsn

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Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 18

I would 3-bet preflop a lot of the time (depending on the opponent ofc) instead of flatting, you're in position. postflop you just kinda got into an unusual spot not really worth discussing since the villain's bet doesn't make sense and is fishy as f, so the decision is entirely up to your perception of the villain. i would probably just fold and go on - you only invested 2 BBs

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05-20-2015 , 11:24 PM

Pokerlover222

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Originally Posted by Darsn

+1 but I think Im calling with that stack..

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05-20-2015 , 11:54 PM

jayme87

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I call because viallain cud be shoving Kq with a heart, ak with a hearts, sometimes will show up with an overpair but without reads I call and expect to be flipping most of the time

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05-21-2015 , 12:39 AM

sahilnair

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i'd fold and preserve my stack.. you've only invested 2bbs here.. you're probably ahead and most likely against aq or kq with a heart.. he might have kk here sometimes.. i'd rather not gamble for 30 bbs.. you have enough chips and can find better spots..

alternatively, you can

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05-21-2015 , 12:41 AM

sahilnair

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3b pre.. you'll have better info then.. it might cost you a bit more.. but you'll feel better about your decision

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05-21-2015 , 05:03 AM

chav

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Easy 3bet gii pre vs a 26BB stack.
Flop is meh.It doesn't look like flush but he can have an overpair that is scared of turn flush card or pair w FD or just a FD with Over.Either way u r either way behind or slightly ahead mostly so barring some very strong reads I like a fold.
Let's not forget the flatter behind u too.

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05-21-2015 , 07:28 AM

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mashxx

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Originally Posted by sahilnair

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Originally Posted by sahilnair

3b pre.. you'll have better info then.. it might cost you a bit more.. but you'll feel better about your decision

rubbish, your reasoning is so poor

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05-21-2015 , 08:49 AM

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gregz41

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Pre flop is fine with these positions.

I Think we have to call given we're very close to the top of our range and villain can do this with worse hands.

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05-22-2015 , 03:37 AM

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AALegend

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Originally Posted by chav

Let's not forget the flatter behind u too.

The flatter behind is largely irrelevant, as he has under 10BB left.

I call and expect to see hands like AK or AJ with 1 heart, 99 or TT with 1 heart, AQ/KQ/QJs without hearts or an occasional scared overpair without a heart. Against this range, its a call.

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05-22-2015 , 07:39 AM

#13

scheier

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Pre flop is fine with these positions.

I Think we have to call given we're very close to the top of our range and villain can do this with worse hands.

^^ Completely agree

Nevertheless, I tend to try and analyze in what situations villains tend to do these overbets. Different players do this in different situations, but the least of them are balanced when they do it.
Of course, it's hard to get this history with a specific villain... Which is why gregz is right.

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05-22-2015 , 02:02 PM

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PocketAcesA5

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Pre flop is fine with these positions.

I Think we have to call given we're very close to the top of our range and villain can do this with worse hands.

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Originally Posted by AALegend

I call and expect to see hands like AK or AJ with 1 heart, 99 or TT with 1 heart, AQ/KQ/QJs without hearts or an occasional scared overpair without a heart. Against this range, its a call.

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Originally Posted by scheier

I agree and I put the villain on the same range or similar to this ^, which puts us at about 50% vs that range. I don't see a good merit for 3 betting here but I do see where people are coming from with this opinion.

Also if very deep and icm was coming into play I think we could pass in this spot flipping, depending, but I think here with 1000 people or so left and the price is right we can take it as long as our range is correct.

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05-22-2015 , 06:54 PM

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zanardi1

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Pre flop is fine with these positions.

I Think we have to call given we're very close to the top of our range and villain can do this with worse hands.

This obv. /thread

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05-22-2015 , 08:41 PM

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Dragons_Egg

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^ yup

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05-22-2015 , 11:17 PM

#17

apedosmil 00

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3 betting UTG+1 in this position with AQo with no prior info is dangerous considering his effective stack of 26bb. If he 4bets you're going to have to fold your AQo turning a decent hand into a bluff. Calling was good here.

He has plenty of AK / AJ (including hearts) in his EP raising range so when the flop hits your fine to call his flop all in bet especially since the effective stack to pot ratio is just under 3 to 1 and you're ahead against his raising range on the flop.

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05-23-2015 , 02:03 AM

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sahilnair

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Originally Posted by mashxx

rubbish, your reasoning is so poor

care to elaborate? what would you do?

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05-28-2015 , 12:15 AM

#19

PocketAcesA5

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Thanks for the info 2p2ers!

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