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Tilt $75 40K...11 left...simple spot vs two other big stacks?

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08-26-2010 , 12:32 AM

ssnyc

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11/850 left...both villans are good and very very aggressive and we all have solid stacks though I obv cover both

simple shove spot?

Full Tilt Poker $40,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2500/t5000 Blinds + t600 - 5 players
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velmacrot (CO): t87845 M = 8.37
Avril Sharapova (BTN): t235623 M = 22.44
Private ATM (SB): t289908 M = 27.61
Hero (BB): t468427 M = 44.61
Penha_SP (UTG): t116016 M = 11.05

Pre Flop: (t10500) Hero is BB with K

2 folds, Avril Sharapova raises to t11555, Private ATM raises to t27224, Hero

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08-26-2010 , 12:37 AM

p3rc4

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68675/call.

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08-26-2010 , 12:40 AM

benza13

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yea, i think i'd rather 4b smallish/call than just shove here, its a really good spot for a light 4b and like you said, both villains are very aggressive

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08-26-2010 , 12:46 AM

mcmurder

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meh i think just jamming is better cos all the hands they might decide to tool out with if you give them the illusion of fold equity actually have pretty good equity against you. Pretty sure it's better to just take the ~10bb in the middle than get your whole stack in against like JTs or whatever

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08-26-2010 , 12:52 AM

jackson18249

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Originally Posted by mcmurder

Why exactly do we want to fold out AJ and AQ and not let those hands tool out?

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08-26-2010 , 12:54 AM

mcmurder

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Because I don't think they will tool out with those hands, seeing as they play horribly against a calling range.

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08-26-2010 , 01:02 AM

jackson18249

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Originally Posted by mcmurder

Because I don't think they will tool out with those hands, seeing as they play horribly against a calling range.

Can you please define what an appropriate calling range for us would be if we 4bet call here because by my calculations AJ/AQ does much better against this range than TJs does.

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08-26-2010 , 01:11 AM

mcmurder

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Well I may be off on this but a small cold 4bet by hero here looks to me like either total air that is folding, or an extremely strong range like JJ+,AK. I can't really imagine it being like 99-TT or AQ raise/calling too often.

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08-26-2010 , 10:41 AM

Texas Chuck

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ss never plays on ftp so he is the ultimate random. They aren't gonna tool out and jam over a 4 bet light ever.

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08-26-2010 , 10:53 AM

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RandomGuy2

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I think it is pretty meh between shoving and 4b/c, the key is that you do one of those 2 things

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08-26-2010 , 11:03 AM

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Todd Terry

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Shove by a wide margin IMO, especially if you're an unknown. You're better off folding out a lot of pairs than inducing here -- especially with ICM effects this deep in the tournament. And good posts by mcmurder.

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