They're both losing with not too big samples. I guess flop is standard call since they might have whatever crap there but I really have no plan and I'd like to have some guidelines for it. Turn was 8, what would you do against various scenarios? :<

Might fold or call flop fold most turns

I did actually fold the flop but that felt super weak against droolers. However lack of plan made me so.

Don't think folding is that weak if we're conservative in how we estimate their range readless, which I don't think is bad readless. I mean conservatively:

JJ = 6
Set = 9 hands
Slowplayed AA/KK (discounted) = ~ 3

Obviously AT, etc, are possible if we want to widen villain's range some, which means we should probably just shove AI otf.

Calling here and c/f OTT can't be terrible because technically we're getting odds here, and villain's range narrows significantly OTT if he bets again iyam and we can fold pretty safely. If he checks we should probably just c/c OTR as well, maybe block bet/fold.

is this the half price sunday warm up?

Flat and figure out stuff on the turn

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yeah, id fold flop this deep. nothin to be concerned about

ford frop

no need to risk 126BB just because he might be overplaying a ten.

same

I can see the logic of being deep and not wanting to take unnecessary risks re: villain overplaying a worse pair, but at the same time...seems premature maybe? I struggle because not only does folding seem weak, but calling seems passive. If we call, 4/5 times it will go c/1500-2500 OTT and we're gonna be hating that decision unless we spike a queen. Raising could resolve the hand on the spot, as bluffs and overplayed worse pairs will probably go away (or at least will slow down), and better hands will 4bet and continue betting OTT/OTR. I also recognize my own tendency to want to raise too much. =O

I guess, as I processed through this while typing, that folding due to the stack sizes involved is probably most wise. Regardless, it's a good bet by villain who's in position to make such a play.

i have better abiture than wizowizo and tupacmn still not that good

u can call or fold flop whenever i call they bet turn i fold and hate myself for peeling so folding is prolly best play here

It doesn't matter if it's weak and it doesn't really seem weak. there are many hands in our range that we should b/fing that flop with. He's not going to know we folded what we had and we're not going to be in this spot often enough for it to be exploitable and if we do find him raising many flops of that texture then we won't be folding anymore. Simply put, if it's a play then villain can't do it often otherwise we can exploit him very easily.

I don't understand why we wouldn't just flat, then c/c non T, J, K, A turns and rivers.

What range are you guys giving him for bumping the flop? Even if his range is only 22, 55, TT and JJ we'll have about 40% equity on all non J turns and rivers so we can profitably call down.

^w0000t?!

the flop is as dry as the p***y of an elderly lady. you have one cold caller and one smallish raise. the pot gets big otf and you wanna range him like that and station down for ur whole stack.