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ReversedAngleShot · 08-05-2012, 02:35 PM

I'm 9/9 after 27 hands (so are the others)
MP3: 33/16 14,2 3b
SB: 24/8
BB: 72/8

There is only one reg (suprnova tho) on the table and MTT is running 2 hours+ and the whole table is spewing like a beast.
Obv we're never folding, but what would you do ---> Shove/call?

[hand_history]Poker Stars, $45 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13670482

BTN: 17,558 (58.5 bb)
SB: 10,655 (35.5 bb)
BB: 10,987 (36.6 bb)
UTG+2: 25,944 (86.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): 15,780 (52.6 bb)
MP2: 34,631 (115.4 bb)
[/b]MP3: 20,185 (67.3 bb)[/b]
CO: 15,993 (53.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

Q

UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 660, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to 1,200, 2 folds, SB calls 1,050, BB calls 900, Hero?????

sidmando71 · 08-05-2012, 02:50 PM

Seems like an obvious call to me. You're obviously not folding, and I don't see the rationale for 4-betting at this point with QQ.

dudeoflife · 08-05-2012, 02:51 PM

4 bet to 3,200. might as well give people the option to reship or make a bad flat. Flatting is not good as you don't want to play a 4 way pot with QQ. MP1 is also less likely to bluff in a 4 way pot/happy to get a free card with certain hands so the flop gets checked through a decent amount.

sidmando71 · 08-05-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dudeoflife

4 bet to 3,200. might as well give people the option to reship or make a bad flat. Flatting is not good as you don't want to play a 4 way pot with QQ. MP1 is also less likely to bluff in a 4 way pot/happy to get a free card with certain hands so the flop gets checked through a decent amount.

Hmm, makes sense. That's why you don't see "See my coaching listing" under my name!

ReversedAngleShot · 08-05-2012, 04:27 PM

Im ended up shoving and official 3b'er, folded and SB snapped w/ AA

dudeoflife · 08-05-2012, 04:32 PM

most people with KK+ just ship it in vs this action pre in the SB spot. Shoving is no good because you're not allowing anyone to make a mistake with their hand. They can only call with JJ,AK+ but if you raise smallish, they can flat or think they have fold equity and shove a worse hand.

Zombiebrains · 08-05-2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudeoflife

most people with KK+ just ship it in vs this action pre in the SB spot. Shoving is no good because you're not allowing anyone to make a mistake with their hand. They can only call with JJ,AK+ but if you raise smallish, they can flat or think they have fold equity and shove a worse hand.

Agreed, listen to this man.

The_Stro_Sho · 08-05-2012, 05:23 PM

why in the world would you shove on that kinda table ?

o0psIrivrdiT · 08-06-2012, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudeoflife

most people with KK+ just ship it in vs this action pre in the SB spot. Shoving is no good because you're not allowing anyone to make a mistake with their hand. They can only call with JJ,AK+ but if you raise smallish, they can flat or think they have fold equity and shove a worse hand.

agree completely.

mashxx · 08-06-2012, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudeoflife

4 bet to 3,200. might as well give people the option to reship or make a bad flat. Flatting is not good as you don't want to play a 4 way pot with QQ. MP1 is also less likely to bluff in a 4 way pot/happy to get a free card with certain hands so the flop gets checked through a decent amount.

obv this

**furo** · 08-06-2012, 06:22 AM

3456/happy dance
also larger pre on a table full of monkeys. would ~2.75x here