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11-16-2010 , 11:55 PM
no great reads tho guy seemed to flat pre too much

total spew?


Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

supfoolio (SB): t4980 33.20 BBs
SVENSEN13 (BB): t2553 17.02 BBs
Hero (UTG): t3412 22.75 BBs
mc0219 (UTG+1): t1563 10.42 BBs
ArielBahia (UTG+2): t3674 24.49 BBs
imgrinding23 (MP1): t3025 20.17 BBs
ICuRaRook (MP2): t4415 29.43 BBs
aleks1917 (CO): t2437 16.25 BBs
krazieass (BTN): t3230 21.53 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is UTG with J K
Hero raises to t300, 5 folds, krazieass calls t300, 1 fold, SVENSEN13 calls t150

Flop: (t975) 9 7 7 (3 players)
SVENSEN13 bets t150, Hero raises to t675, krazieass folds, SVENSEN13 calls t525

Turn: (t2325) 6 (2 players)
SVENSEN13 checks, Hero checks

River: (t2325) A (2 players)
SVENSEN13 checks, Hero bets t1650,
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11-17-2010 , 01:30 AM
Wow, I am just going to give my answer and then get flamed because I pretty much disagree with everything you did in this hand.

First, why the miniraise? I nit it up pre ante myself, so I probably fold pre, if I don't I raise more though.

OK, so apparently I don't disagree with everything, bc I play flop the same, but I'm pretty certain I bet turn.

No idea what you are repping here that makes sense other than you stumbled into a flush. Having said that.... looking at it, stacks and all, guess there's not much he can call with otr....... unless HE stumbled into the flush, in which case he probably doesn't check.

But really, granted I've just started playing again, and you are way better than me, isn't this really major fps?
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11-17-2010 , 01:57 AM
Yeah I like this except I think betting a little less on the river, say 1300, the job done just the same.
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11-17-2010 , 02:44 AM
Why the free check after the turn? I would want him out of that pot now. Or he could be slow rolling you, thinking that you're scared of his 97, 10 7, j7..

I've found that some people love to slow roll their small three of a kind live.
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11-17-2010 , 08:01 AM
fold pre on any table..rest of hands looks ok though!
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11-17-2010 , 08:24 AM
Prolly fold pre, once you get in there I might play it same way flop but often add another spew medal to my chest. Not very pleased with what Ive done that is =) Rest looks fine.
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11-17-2010 , 09:02 AM
flold flop, really dislike ur raise with that size, as played shove river with ur line

ah ye, fold pre
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11-17-2010 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Fresh_Oo_D
flold flop, really dislike ur raise with that size, as played shove river with ur line

ah ye, fold pre
You're not really folding that flop are you? How did you reach that conclusion? He could just be calling close to 100% here and do this with anything he's calling with. On top prize is great.
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11-17-2010 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by malta
You're not really folding that flop are you? How did you reach that conclusion? He could just be calling close to 100% here and do this with anything he's calling with. On top prize is great.
wat?
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11-17-2010 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Fresh_Oo_D
wat?
he is asking if you want to fold the flop to his 150 donk lead into a 975 pot
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11-17-2010 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiddie
Why the free check after the turn? I would want him out of that pot now. Or he could be slow rolling you, thinking that you're scared of his 97, 10 7, j7..

I've found that some people love to slow roll their small three of a kind live.
100% This!
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11-17-2010 , 12:29 PM
i'm with fresh...
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11-17-2010 , 12:41 PM
Need some arguments from Fresh though or yourself on the flop fold
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11-17-2010 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sunnydunerz
fold pre on any table..rest of hands looks ok though!
Im pretty much thinking this
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11-17-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by malta
Need some arguments from Fresh though or yourself on the flop fold
oh okay, im folding this coz its 3way and donks often donk there with 9x or a draw, id say its 50/50 with air, and they obv dont fold it to ur raise, so u are in an ugly spot.

there is also one player left to act who might picked up a piece of the board which he also doesnt want to fold.
would avoid that spot and just fold, dont mind a raise if the flop was rainbow, but i also would size it higher so u can shove some scary turns.

as played jam the river>bet normally, it looks scarier to fishes
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11-18-2010 , 10:30 AM
Fresh, saying that you cant just fold to the donk 150.
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11-18-2010 , 11:36 AM
u can and its better than anything else..
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11-18-2010 , 03:43 PM
wtf is happening here?

TBH $55 is like a good 40$ above my average bi but i always like to lurk the midstakes becuase i feel that i learn a lot from these threads. But i have no ****ing clue what is happening here at all. Can you plz explain yourself ssync im so lost by every street you played. And everyone agreeing with your post play is just baffling me even more as this just looks like the most ridiculous spew ever to me.
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11-18-2010 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyStax
wtf is happening here?

TBH $55 is like a good 40$ above my average bi but i always like to lurk the midstakes becuase i feel that i learn a lot from these threads. But i have no ****ing clue what is happening here at all. Can you plz explain yourself ssync im so lost by every street you played. And everyone agreeing with your post play is just baffling me even more as this just looks like the most ridiculous spew ever to me.
decision one: dude donks $150 into $950...we can let him take it...or we can bluff...the third guy needs a ridiculously strong range to continue so I am fine trying to get HU in position vs the donk better

decision two...turn...he called...he has something...not point in betting and mostly giving up

decision three...board makes a dangerous run out. He checks...If he can hand read I am repping thin but he also should never check a big spade or a boat on the river here. So we put on the pressure to make him fold better.

response?
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11-18-2010 , 03:55 PM
Yes i agree with all of that but, thats just like the WORST river card ever and although villain may be able to make a big fold here, i just feel like this is a bad bluff cause we dont have **** and villain could decide to spite call w/ Ax or some ******** made flush. I mean you said it yourself that he has SOMETHING here and we have jack ****. I guess its a pretty sick bluff. Did it work?
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11-18-2010 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyStax
Yes i agree with all of that but, thats just like the WORST river card ever and although villain may be able to make a big fold here, i just feel like this is a bad bluff cause we dont have **** and villain could decide to spite call w/ Ax or some ******** made flush. I mean you said it yourself that he has SOMETHING here and we have jack ****. I guess its a pretty sick bluff. Did it work?
play the line back...what is your river c/c range as villan?
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11-18-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
decision one: dude donks $150 into $950...we can let him take it...or we can bluff...the third guy needs a ridiculously strong range to continue so I am fine trying to get HU in position vs the donk better

decision two...turn...he called...he has something...not point in betting and mostly giving up

decision three...board makes a dangerous run out. He checks...If he can hand read I am repping thin but he also should never check a big spade or a boat on the river here. So we put on the pressure to make him fold better.

response?
NH WP
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11-18-2010 , 04:13 PM
K and Q of spades and a boat pretty much. I guess im just over thinking villains donk bet on flop.
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11-18-2010 , 04:22 PM
river bluff is obv with ur IMO bad line taken coz he very rarely has Kxs,Qxs or Jxs here and random villains wont call much lighter and all boats shouldve bet so river bet is very cleary +ev
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11-18-2010 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyStax
K and Q of spades and a boat pretty much. I guess im just over thinking villains donk bet on flop.
don't forget to add in the flop action...what K or Q spades make sense?

also given the turn checked through I would think he leads his strong hands on the river for value
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