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08-25-2010 , 09:38 AM

Texas Chuck

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Villian is a unknown. Has aggro stats over a small sample. However the very next hand he got in all with AT after I opened button he 3 bet and BB shipped it in.

Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t2644 88.13 BBs
CO: t3320 110.67 BBs
BTN: t1981 66.03 BBs
Hero (SB): t3163 105.43 BBs
BB: t5495 183.17 BBs
UTG: t12956 431.87 BBs
UTG+1: t816 27.20 BBs
MP1: t10540 351.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is SB with 6

6 folds, Hero raises to t90, BB calls t60

Flop: (t180) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets t120, BB calls t120

Turn: (t420) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t330, Hero calls t330

River: (t1080) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t850, Hero calls t850

So how bad is this river call? Also anyone prefer b/f or c/f ott?

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08-25-2010 , 09:50 AM

p3rc4

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NH if he's any sort of speuro/vamoo.

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08-25-2010 , 09:53 AM

THENEWCS

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I'm fine with all this bvb I think, apart from I probably b/f turn for value and protection, theres plenty worse he can call with.

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08-25-2010 , 09:53 AM

qazikm2000

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Seems ok cuz he can bet a whole bunch of A2/A3/A4 on the turn and then do some random merge on the river with them and you have 6s so call has to be ok.

Ya I also kind of agree with ^^ that it might be best to keep betting the turn yourself and then c/call river.

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08-25-2010 , 09:59 AM

furo

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i just scratched my head for 1 min thinking about what he value bets here that we beat
hmm yea and i dont come up with... much

so i guess c/f since i dont see him floating and bombing two streets here often enough.

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b/f turn also seems way better just to prevent these leveling games and not beeing outdrawn OTR

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08-25-2010 , 10:02 AM

HotKarlMC

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im folding river guess it depends on location tho

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08-25-2010 , 01:01 PM

SGT RJ

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I think b/f turn may be optimal here but IDK.

I can't really fault the river call, his line looks an awful lot like a busted draw of some sort, like the A5 of spades.

Location of villain?

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08-25-2010 , 01:14 PM

Bonsau

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@ SGT - A5 beats us.

I prolly sigh fold river, but soul reads could help.

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08-25-2010 , 01:22 PM

jfly

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Originally Posted by SGT RJ

I can't really fault the river call, his line looks an awful lot like a busted draw of some sort, like the A5 of spades.

orly?

I think I agree about bet/folding turn as played. Stuff like AJ/AQ might call again along with the 55/A2/A4/54s/other 5x. You put yourself in a tough spot once you start the c/c game and I don't like it much unless you think he's going to pure float you a ton on the flop

I prob would check flop with 6s6c, seems like a reasonable hand to use as a bluffcatcher. Don't think a flop check is that bad here either

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08-25-2010 , 01:23 PM

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unrealzeal

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this is a fine way to play your hand...villain has to obv have bluffs in his range but a lot of stuff missed...if you call the turn it's to c/station non spades...nh

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08-25-2010 , 01:25 PM

#11

SGT RJ

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Originally Posted by jfly

Goddamn it.

Ax of spades then. I really need stop multitasking when I respond.

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08-25-2010 , 03:13 PM

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Texas Chuck

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Originally Posted by jfly

I think I agree about bet/folding turn as played.
I prob would check flop with 6s6c, seems like a reasonable hand to use as a bluffcatcher. Don't think a flop check is that bad here either

b/f turn seems better than what I did. Checking flop with 66 here seems really poor to me. We almost always have the best hand but it is way too vulnerable to be giving free cards imo.

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08-25-2010 , 03:14 PM

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Texas Chuck

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As far as those asking for location just assume that every villian in this particular mtt is either euro or vamo so yeah I was c/c for value otr obv.

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08-25-2010 , 04:01 PM

#14

isuxatpokerbad

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Originally Posted by p3rc4

NH if he's any sort of speuro/vamoo.

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08-25-2010 , 06:40 PM

#15

SamuraiPlaya

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

As far as those asking for location just assume that every villian in this particular mtt is either euro or vamo so yeah I was c/c for value otr obv.

then I dont think the river call can be too awful given this statement

In all seriousness though, people get so crazy in B v B spots where they defend and then when you check to them they just cant stop mashing buttons...

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08-25-2010 , 06:55 PM

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Jiggymike

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I fold the river a lot but the more I think about it, the more his sizing seems really really bluffy unless he has a set or straight, and we has blockers.

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08-25-2010 , 07:10 PM

#17

jfly

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

b/f turn seems better than what I did. Checking flop with 66 here seems really poor to me. We almost always have the best hand but it is way too vulnerable to be giving free cards imo.

vs overs with no backdoor fd, 6s6c has 80% equity...i wouldn't call that vulnerable. BB will often stab his whole range when you check on boards like this...rightfully so because many players don't even have a c/c'ing range and are always giving up when they check

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08-25-2010 , 08:00 PM

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zedveron

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looks good, i think river is a clear call because his range just became very polarised when he bet that card.

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08-25-2010 , 08:20 PM

#19

nath

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I would rather bet the turn again than check/call big bets.

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