Re: Standard 4B shove JJ 30bb?
Not standard 4 bet shove imo... unless you are multi tabling AND can't be bothered thinking or are lazy/trying to avoid awkward spots. Any other 4 bet is out of the question as once you put in 25-30% of your stack you should be committed. So IF you want to 4 bet then shoving is correct, right?
But 14/14 tight... isn't it? Ok its a small sample size. If the sample size is bigger or if u have notes/history then its a different discussion isn't it? So why do majority think its a snap shove... because its against unknown player? Is it worth considering players itm/roi stats? If V awful i guess he could have KQ/KJ/KT/QJ/QT which you dominate and therefore shoving makes more sense. And if you race so be it. So its probably +ev against a fish to shove imo.
If V somewhat competent...
You mentioned u currently have tight image... you think he playing back because of that? How many tight players going to open utg and fold to 3 bet? Don't tight players rarely open utg? Does he think you often raise/fold? Isn't it more likely he has a hand? Maybe he thinking on higher level, thinking you should read him as strong, but the raise is not that much...
A few years ago the raise utg was the new button steal but if he got u pegged as tight he not bluff raising here imo.
Anyway surely its worth considering CALLING... you get 5-1 on a call pf and effective stacks greater than 10-1.
obv some probs include raise behind, which might be a bluff raise steal you induced, if V gets all in then its an awkward spot, and if just you and V see flop and overcard(s) land well thats awkward too but i am not sure 4 bet shoving to avoid awkward spots is ideal.
i mean very little talk about his hand range... someone mentioned KQ, personally i don't see KQ raising in this spot very often unless he's awful... more like AK/AQ or 88+. Don't most smaller pairs set mine here?