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09-01-2013 , 09:57 PM

zanardi1

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Opener is brazilian running 20/16 in 200 hands. Flatter is a random running 26/13/0 in 70 hands at the table and believe he is bad and capable of flatting wide in this spot.
I´ve been very nitty for the 80 hands ive been at this table, running 10/8 mainly because of being shortstacked all the way till I doubled a few hands ago.
Do we cram?

No Limit Holdem Tournament
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9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$200+$15

Stacks:
UTG (576k) 29bb
UTG+1 (281k) 14bb
MP1 (276k) 14bb
MP2 (524k) 26bb
MP3 (291k) 15bb
Hero (CO) (447k) 22bb
BTN (296k) 15bb
SB (566k) 28bb
BB (641k) 32bb

Blinds: 10k/20k Ante 2k

Pre-Flop: (48k, 9 players) Hero is CO J

UTG raises to 41k, 1 fold, MP1 calls 41k, 2 folds, Hero???

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09-01-2013 , 10:32 PM

cicakman

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Yes

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09-01-2013 , 10:48 PM

WashUrHandsPlz

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IF he`s opening more than ~10-11% shoving is ok assuming MP always folds.

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09-01-2013 , 11:18 PM

Mad1Lee

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if mp is reggy, fold. Even if utg is loose pre.

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09-01-2013 , 11:37 PM

peac b the journey

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Fold

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09-02-2013 , 01:09 AM

betgo

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

IF he`s opening more than ~10-11% shoving is ok assuming MP always folds.

Why would you assume that? MP started with 14xBB. Even if he is not trapping, he is getting 1.55-1 to call your push. I would be very concerned if MP is a reg, because most regs do not like to call off 1/7 of their stack. Also, 20/16 is not loose stats, regardless of what country UTG is from.

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09-02-2013 , 04:31 AM

pablito_21

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Did you read OP? MP is bad/can be wide, not a reg.

Jamming.

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09-02-2013 , 06:41 AM

o0psIrivrdiT

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jamming

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09-02-2013 , 07:23 AM

shichibukai

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3bet/call the short
3bet/fold vs or

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09-02-2013 , 07:59 AM

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furo

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Jam

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09-02-2013 , 08:43 AM

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CremeLaCreme

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Would you shouve if you had 10bb? Defently jamming here.

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09-02-2013 , 01:05 PM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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Originally Posted by shichibukai

3bet/call the short
3bet/fold vs or

vamo can shove worse/flips a lot perceiving MP as bad too imo. So I dont think 3b/f > 3b/c.

we could 3b/c vs him w/o flat-caller but now we have to invest at least 1/4 of our stack which doesnt looks light at all and that makes shoving better than 3b/c.

Last edited by WashUrHandsPlz; 09-02-2013 at 01:10 PM.

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09-02-2013 , 01:18 PM

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shichibukai

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

how would you play qq+???

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09-02-2013 , 01:23 PM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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Originally Posted by shichibukai

how would you play qq+???

w/e really. Gameflow dependent.
I think we`re already short enough to have wide jamming range esp with some metagame.

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09-02-2013 , 03:12 PM

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mashxx

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Originally Posted by CremeLaCreme

Would you shouve if you had 10bb? Defently jamming here.

How is that even a relevant question?

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09-02-2013 , 03:23 PM

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ebet33

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What's his ep raise % you should have something over 200 hands
If he's playing right utg (which he prob is) id prob dump this

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09-02-2013 , 05:01 PM

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zanardi1

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Thx for the replies. The majority said shove.
A proper shoving range in this spot would be 88+, AJo+?

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09-02-2013 , 05:06 PM

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CremeLaCreme

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Originally Posted by mashxx

How is that even a relevant question?

ABB

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09-03-2013 , 06:22 PM

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zanardi1

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Guess the discussion died by now. I shoved, SB woke up with AK and opener and flatter folded.
Thx for the help. #gg.

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09-03-2013 , 07:14 PM

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cicakman

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Originally Posted by zanardi1

Guess the discussion died by now. I shoved, SB woke up with AK and opener and flatter folded.
Thx for the help. #gg.

So it's just a bbv thread?

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09-03-2013 , 07:19 PM

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zanardi1

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Originally Posted by cicakman

So it's just a bbv thread?

Just checking the shove was OK.

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09-03-2013 , 07:25 PM

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bikram

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Originally Posted by cicakman

So it's just a bbv thread?

It's just a natural tendency for people to post hands that they lost more frequently than hands that they won.

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09-04-2013 , 02:18 AM

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mashxx

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Zanardi1 is a good poster, shut up folks

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09-04-2013 , 03:25 AM

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shichibukai

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Originally Posted by zanardi1

Thx for the replies. The majority said shove.
A proper shoving range in this spot would be 88+, AJo+?

i think in the sundey milion we should think about the short term because
we cant grind it out every day
i mean in the 11 rebuy i ll shove ajo
here i prefer to 3bet/fold maybe shoving 99+ aq+

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