people hating on pre is ridiculous. Flatting can be really good here. I would bet the flop. As played bigger on turn. Easy fold on river

You can tell the people who never think past what they know when they say you always 3 bet AA in this spot...lol

If you never flat AA/KK/QQ/AK sometimes in spots like these I would love to play postflop with you...loll, sign me up

This is a bit much. Lots of people itt arent flatting monsters with stacks shown because we arent ever flatting JTs or 77 and its kinda faceup to even bad players.

Obv there are spots to flat monsters pre but this really isnt the best one. I dont think its terrible but its definitely not optimal unless we are a known weak passive player

We have 28 bigs here, thats the perfect stack to flat aa to try to get a double up, my flatting range will include lots of broadways along with aa/kk/qq from time to time. The villain cant put you squarely on a big pair jus because u flatted a lp raise playin 28 bigs. Plus this was a midstakes tourney where people constantly flat dumb hands and fold the flop with even less than 20 bigs. I had no history with the villain here and I knew he couldnt put me on aa here.

River: (8,172) 4 (2 players)
MP3 bets 6,730, [color="grey"]



OP ****ed up river too. You clearly should not have turned grey in this spot

winner.

Why didn't you like the paired board on the flop?
I would bet flop to get paid by draws and hands with a King. Depending on the sizing of the opponents bet, history, etc I would call or fold if raised (probably call most of the time).

Given your line, I think you look weak. What would you be making a small bet on the turn that you checked such a draw heavy flop with and didn't 3 bet pre with? Keeping this in mind, I think it makes your river decision hard. If your opponent thinks that you look weak here too, then he may be turning a missed hand into a bluff, or he may have flopped a monster/rivered the flush. I would fold the river as played.

River is an easy fold, pre is questionable but not terribad if opponents behind are spazz monkeys. AQ/AJcc are totally in his range as are the nuts

I think you are a little off base here as your game has evolved to a point where an obvious spot to you is not even close to obvious to a bad player. I mean even good players have trouble in these spots. If you open TT-QQ here and get flatted by another good player are you c/f on a 7 high flop?

That was my reasoning for voting for small 3b, I just couldn't think about any hand other than nuts that I would flat here.

So what do u do with qjs/kj/kq here, fold or 3 bet call is it?

I think pre is ok but obvs a 3 bet is good too, I like to 3 bet bluff with a widish range with this stack and given right dynamics I would auto 3 bet here. But definitely not hating the flat.

I can see why you checked the flop multiway but can see arguements for betting flop for sure. I usually check back here though multiway, probably would of sized turn more though..

Looks like he has it very much so on river and u berate fold here IMO. NH

I've been thinking about the flop and I've come to pretty much the same conclusion.

I don't like getting c/r'd here by anyone and so if I bet the flop I'm folding. We give the draws a better chance to win unimproved and there's enough Tx out there. I'm definitely not a fan of the idea that because we intentionally underrepped our hand pre we have to want to play for stacks 4way on TTK with a fd we don't have a blocker / backdoor to