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Simple fold with AA? Simple fold with AA?

06-28-2017 , 09:28 AM
€200 NLHE live tournament
9 handed, long way from money - approaching end of re-entry phase

Blinds 150/300/25

Villain 1 - MP - Unknown player, just joined and this his first hand, so he has a starting stack of 20k (67bb)
Hero - Hijack - image should be fairly good, recently lost a pot with QQ v A6, knocked me back to 16k (53bb)
Villain 2 - BTN - lady, aged 45-60 at a guess. Not a great deal of information on her but she had been playing tight in the early levels and not significantly aggressive. I know that she was at the tournament along with a larger group of players, some of which I had played with and felt that they were generally good laggy players. Stack slightly below starting, c 18k (60bb)

No other reads going into the hand

Folds to Vil1 - who limps for 300
Hero has AA and raises to 1,100
Vil2 calls
Vil 1 calls
Blinds fold

Flop is JT5 rainbow (pot 3,975, c 13bb)

Vil1 Checks
Hero bets 1,500
Vil2 Raises to 3,000
Vil1 Calls 3,000
Hero tank calls 1,500 (c. 12k behind)

Turn is offsuit 4 (pot 12,975)

Vil1 checks
Hero checks
Vil 2 bets 7,000
Vil 1 calls 7,000
Hero ?

Pot is now 26,975k and we have only 12k back

In real time I felt that JTs was the most likely holding for Vil2, as I don't think sets would necessarily raise the flop and then follow up with this sizing on a brick, and AJ would probably not bet the turn even if raising the flop (which I also consider pretty unlikely). I was quite puzzled by the possible range of the unknown vil1.

Vs JT we have 8 outs: 3x 4's, 3x 5's and 2x A's
Vs sets we are drawing to the two aces
Vs anything else (unlikely) we're ahead

A jam is clearly getting called by both as it is only a raise of 5k offering better than 6-1, so my 12k is really to try and win c 37k for which I need 24% equity

What are we doing here? What ranges are you feeling for the two villains?
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06-28-2017 , 02:35 PM
All in on the flop.
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06-28-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
All in on the flop.
Yeah, me too. Maybe a little more pre-flop after the limp, as well.
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06-28-2017 , 03:26 PM
Interesting. I did strongly consider jamming the flop, but felt that I would be getting called by better too often.

As played are you still wanting to GII on the turn then?
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06-28-2017 , 03:52 PM
It's hard to say. I think you misplayed your hand to get there. My line would have included a larger pre-flop raise, like 1200 or 1400 or even a little more (limpers must be punished,) and a bigger c-bet as well, over half the pot if c-betting into two villains, and gii if raised, lead turn if they flat. But the way this went, I don't think I want to gii or even call on the turn versus two villains. It seems likely you are up against 2 pair and a draw, or a set and a draw, or some combination of those hands. And you have lost control of the hand and are now in reaction mode instead of driving the bus. So maybe you have to let it go.

Last edited by 2pairsof2s; 06-28-2017 at 04:01 PM.
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06-28-2017 , 10:10 PM
IŽll go at least 1.500 pre. Im not really a fan of stacking flop here against these villains, especially against an old lady minraise and a cold flat. Think this a super villain dependent spot where your live reads play a huge role. Think against described players I end up peeling flop and puke folding turn.
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06-29-2017 , 11:27 AM
in my book, there is a major key in this hand that you have either dismissed or not considered.

it directly involves the Old Lady (Vill-2)

you stated that you felt she was playing tight in the 'early levels'... very very rarely do these 'style' of players loosen-up during the mid/late levels... tight early usually translates to VERY tight mid/late.

That being said, now ask yourself what she would have cold called your pre-raise with on the button? 10% opening range? 12% ? 15%? in any case, being tight it does not follow that she'd have a bigger range on the button.

Now go to the post flop action... the tight old lady MIN-raises your C-Bet... that would cause me to feel that the ONLY hand that she could have at that point that you are ahead of would be A-J... remember, she's tight... and she's old, which by nature would make her even tighter...

My play once she mins me would be to call the min, and fold on the turn if i dont improve..

Yes, folding AA sucks, but its all in context... and here, things look rather ****ty to me once she min raises...

btw, like others have said, i too would have raised larger pre .. for some reason i've never quite understood in live events (as opposed to online), as to why larger pre-flop raises are needed to ascertain that you get at most one caller... perhaps it has to do with the psychological factor that many players dont want to feel 'bullied' or 'shamed' into folding when everyone is sitting there live watching them... oh, and in any case, AA plays better vs one villian instead of multi-way (obviously)...

good luck
~ Slip
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06-29-2017 , 11:37 AM
Bet bigger OTF, 2500 - 3000. As played shove over the raise and call.

Once you call the flop raise, open - shove the turn. As played shove over the bet and call.

Reasoning: 1. You can re-enter and OTF you have an AA over pair with an SPR of 4, so in a sense you're pretty much pot committed and you'll get called worse.
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