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Should i be able to get away in this spot? Should i be able to get away in this spot?

02-15-2017 , 03:13 AM
Playing the $33 Bounty Builder on Stars, ITM with about 45 left.

Not sure if this a spot i should be able to get away from or just cold decked. I had a feeling i was up against A's, K's or maybe J's but given the board and $55 bounty on villains head Im not sure i can find a fold here?

Reviewing the hand, i think my only mistake is my pfr isn't quite big enough although that is unlikely to make much difference to the final outcome in this instance.

Villains stats are vpip 21/ pfr 14/ 3B 3 so reasonably solid.

Thoughts?

    Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (1,250/2,500 blinds, 380 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37639061

    MP1: 73,318 (29.3 bb)
    MP2: 34,497 (13.8 bb)
    MP3: 110,425 (44.2 bb)
    Hero (CO): 91,224 (36.5 bb)
    BTN: 73,460 (29.4 bb)
    SB: 96,458 (38.6 bb)
    BB: 72,278 (28.9 bb)
    UTG+2: 85,701 (34.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
    UTG+2 calls 2,500, 3 folds, Hero raises to 7,500, BTN calls 7,500, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls 5,000

    Flop: (29,290) 7 2 8 (3 players)
    UTG+2 checks, Hero bets 9,666, BTN calls 9,666, UTG+2 folds

    Turn: (48,622) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets 22,852, BTN raises to 55,914 and is all-in, Hero calls 33,062

    River: (160,450) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 160,450 pot
    Final Board: 7 2 8 4 2
    Hero showed Q Q and lost (-73,460 net)
    BTN showed A A and won 160,450 (86,990 net)



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    Would you play this any differently if it was a standard tourney with no bounties?

    If my hand was slightly weaker (say 9's or T's) I guess we should be not leading the turn for as much & find a way to get away when we're raised or am i overthinking the situation?

    Thanks
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    02-15-2017 , 03:43 AM
    like 8.5k pre and slightly bigger on flop to set psb turn shove

    But no not folding anywhere
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    02-15-2017 , 04:37 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by princekuh1o
    like 8.5k pre and slightly bigger on flop to set psb turn shove

    But no not folding anywhere


    +1
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    02-15-2017 , 10:52 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by princekuh1o
    like 8.5k pre and slightly bigger on flop to set psb turn shove

    But no not folding anywhere
    +2
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    02-15-2017 , 06:11 PM
    Definitely make the preflop iso bigger, then proceed to bet flop, shove turn and size accordingly
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    02-15-2017 , 07:13 PM
    Losing to Aces with Queens is part of poker, I'm afraid.
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    02-16-2017 , 12:29 AM
    Thanks for the replies. At least i know this spot is ok.

    Im just on a bit of a brutal downswing (200bi) this year so far and trying to plug any holes i may have in my game.

    Downswings start making you question everything. Currently going through that feeling of 'why do i bother, it's impossible to win a hand'.

    When i narrow my Poker Tracker database to show just pocket A's im showing a loss over the last 20 times i've been dealt them.

    Anyway, thanks for the reassurance.

    I guess the answer is just solid bankroll management + volume.
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    02-16-2017 , 01:46 AM
    Those happen for sure. Especially in fields like that of this tourney.

    But maybe there are other spots you can look. Sizings are kind of small in this hand. Long shot presumption , but maybe you're losing value in other spots?
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    02-16-2017 , 08:56 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ivydrive
    Thanks for the replies. At least i know this spot is ok.

    Im just on a bit of a brutal downswing (200bi) this year so far and trying to plug any holes i may have in my game.

    Downswings start making you question everything. Currently going through that feeling of 'why do i bother, it's impossible to win a hand'.

    When i narrow my Poker Tracker database to show just pocket A's im showing a loss over the last 20 times i've been dealt them.

    Anyway, thanks for the reassurance.

    I guess the answer is just solid bankroll management + volume.
    I'm going to be cruel to be kind. Poker players chalk results up to variance a lot. What's your evbb/100?
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    02-17-2017 , 04:56 AM
    I read through this HH and expected very different responses. You need a read that V is capable of having worse than QQ here. You don't have one. It's that simple.

    The key is that V is solid and will perceive he/she has no fold equity ott.

    OP at least worthy of some consideration. Against a solid V you can print $ folding these spots.

    Last edited by oldsilver; 02-17-2017 at 05:01 AM.
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    02-17-2017 , 06:33 AM
    these bounty builders have like 7min levels

    so no way im folding here, i would bet slightly more otf but apart from that wp
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    02-18-2017 , 04:22 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gregz41
    I'm going to be cruel to be kind. Poker players chalk results up to variance a lot. What's your evbb/100?
    evbb/100 in mtts is pretty much exactly 5 but thats only over my last 95,000 hands. I've changed computers since and havent got my old data. It was at 8.5evbb/100 after 68,000 hands but the recent downswing has obviously seen it drop off. I appreciate the sample size isn't big enough to tell an accurate story. ABI is around $15 this year.

    I've played poker semi professionally for years turning a profit every year. Having said that, I am certain i have plenty of holes in my game that need plugging. If this downswing has been good for anything it's motivated me to do some extra work on my game, hence posting here, looking through my PT4 stats to try to identify any leaks and watching plenty of training videos.

    *Edit* Even though the original hand was a reg speed mtt, it's probably worth mentioning that my schedule is usually made up of probably 75% turbos (not many hypers) which i guess is likely to equate to a slightly lower evbb/100.

    Last edited by Ivydrive; 02-18-2017 at 04:32 AM. Reason: Addition info.
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