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02-18-2017 , 03:28 PM
Live poker tournament (100/200 blinds , 25 ante )


BTN : 17,145 (85,7 bb)
SB: 13,250 (66,2 bb)
BB: 17,400 (87 bb)
UTG : 15,500 (77,5 bb)
Hero (UTG+1) : 14,800 (74 bb)
UTG+2 18,000 (90 bb )
MP1: 12,225 (61,1 bb)
MP2: 14,000 (70 bb)
HJ:13,500 (67,5 bb)
CO: 11,325 (56,6 bb )

Preflop : Hero is UTG + 1 with 10 9
UTG raises to 450 , Hero Calls , 8 folds

Flop : (1450) 10 9 8 ( 2 players)
UTG bets 1000 , Hero raises to 2400 , UTG re-raises to 5400 , Hero shoves all in for 14,325 .

UTG calls with 6 7

Turn : K

River : 5


Was shoving the right move ? ( UTG 3 bets three or four times for 40 mins )
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02-18-2017 , 08:57 PM
Fold pre. Can't see a reason to 3! Flatting is unlikely to close action and vulnerable to 3! -> 4! sequences and LP calls from hands that have you dominated. prob OK to flat BTN or complete BB.

As played, HU why don't you flat and let him barrel 3? Raising here is going to fold out his Ax bluffs and make it difficult for him to continue with overpairs.
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02-19-2017 , 04:58 AM
I raised to protect my two pair given both the straight and flush draw. Thank for your answer sir .
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02-19-2017 , 09:14 AM
PF - just fold IMO, you're in too early a position to start calling with stuff like that and are asking to get squeezed or be playing OOP vs one or two other villains.

Flop - I disagree with oldsilver - I think raising is completely fine here. If you don't raise here with top two pair, we apparently don't have a raising range which I think is a huge mistake. A lot of the time a raise will just take it down there and then.

I'd expect that most villains, especially live, would be happy to get it in with big draws here that we're ahead of. Even if we're up against QJ or 88, we've still got some equity and aren't drawing dead.
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02-19-2017 , 02:16 PM
This hand is a nice example of why you fold suited connectors to a raise pre flop in EP.
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02-19-2017 , 11:07 PM
fold pre and call flop

i think having a raising range given action and flop texture is somewhat suboptimal. however including top two into a potential raising range is just a bad idea.
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02-20-2017 , 02:08 AM
Calling T9s pre isn't terrible. It can flop reasonably well and can stack EP raisers on middle card boards. If we were shallower I would absolutely say to fold, but with 75BB it's probably ok, especially if you think your opponent's going to have a super-wide range here. (and if he's playing 76s he probably does)

Two pair is probably at the bottom of my raise range in this spot, so I can go either way. Probably would lean towards raising top two or better on more coordinated boards (adding some combo draws for balance as bluffs) and maybe flatting T9s on less coordinated boards. (i.e., maybe T92 rainbow)
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02-20-2017 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DiKiro
I raised to protect my two pair given both the straight and flush draw. Thank for your answer sir .
np, that's why I phrased it as a question, but on balance i prefer just to let an aggressive V bet spots like this for us. he's already charging himself.

we're looking for value here against his likely UTG range of overpairs, Ax+draw and pair+draw hands. you block sets and straights are unlikely (except QJs).

i believe we're +EV against that range but not so far +++EV ahead that we want to bloat the pot into something massive. allow yourself room to hit the brakes on a J or Q or 7 or 8 or spade turn or river.

you're arguing for a little equity denial on the flop as well, but by leading the flop, V is charging himself to draw or bluff. it's something of a philosophical question as to whether you need to charge him again...
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02-20-2017 , 05:31 AM
My feeling is that most villains at that level won't fold to all of those drawing type hands or even overpairs, so my goal is to bloat the pot at this point when we likely have the best hand and can get calls from worse.

This is the weakest hand I'm playing like this for value though.
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