QQ on ugly board deepish in Big

[timetowom]

Id c/c the river.

[dereds]

Originally Posted by ohmyquad

it is perfect sizing against drawing hands he might have, and no he did not have QJ.

QJs was the only 'reasonable' hand he may played this way

'results oriented'? 'your last couple posts'? what you suggest in the hand otherwise just don't bother posting useless sentences

Yeah don't post here and do this

[timetowom]

We have QQ and decide to overbet and fold out a hand we block most of the combos to.

[mashxx]

So, competent people so far have advised three different lines on the river

[gregz41]

Someone of his stats has a huge amount of 2pair+ in his range which he wont fold cos there are no 7x hands that we tripple barrel in our range.

He's proly checking back JT QT KT and AT anyway.

[mashxx]

I'm closest to c/f but only because the hand has been misplayed until this point, better sizing would make other options looking better otr.

[oNste]

Shep thi nockles

[timetowom]

There's even less 7x hands villain can have. If we shove hes not folding worse ever and its hard to tell what part of the range of showdown hands we beat hes calling with is. We can't assume hes calling 100% of Tx one pair hands. C/f is better than shove but I feel there's alot more bluffs and worse hands turned into bluffs on the river. If the majority of the time villain will also check back the river anyway then it makes shoving even thinner. I just feel people love to turn worse hands into bluffs here alot and rep 7x just because its a possibility.

So to me c/c>c/f>>>>>shove. Also considering 2k/f but too much to think about. If we sized smaller on turn then b/f small is more viable.

[ohmyquad]

Originally Posted by mashxx

I'm closest to c/f but only because the hand has been misplayed until this point, better sizing would make other options looking better otr.

hand was misplayed? suggest your sizing plz

okay what sizing you choose if you know his hand: 97

[ohmyquad]

Originally Posted by timetowom

So to me c/c>c/f>>>>>shove.

exactly

Originally Posted by timetowom

If we sized smaller on turn then b/f small is more viable.

so basicaly we give up in the hand when we bet this turn small?

[gregz41]

I feel like I'm underestimating the amount of times he will jam when checked to. What showdown value hands is he going to move in with that makes c/c the best option.

[timetowom]

Originally Posted by gregz41

I feel like I'm underestimating the amount of times he will jam when checked to. What showdown value hands is he going to move in with that makes c/c the best option.

Its a pretty low amount anyway. But JT QT KT AT JJ and an air hand to make up part of the combos. Most lower stakes players won't be turning 2 pair hands into bluffs or value betting sets this thin here. If his river betting range is only 7x and bluffs then c/c is better. There are less 7x that make sense even if you discount all the Tx hands alot.

The thing is that river will be checked back a ton anyway so were only looking for value and having a decision between call or fold the % of the time it isn't checked back.

Its pretty close for each and can depend on play style. I get alot of people to be lighter and think im full of **** more often so they would be more likely to bluff vs me. Maybe its a soft table so c/f gains a few points. Idk

[PageUp]

There's no way c/c is better than c/f. And c/f is prob best if we can assume that villain won't turn one pair hands into a bluff. I mean, does villain even have a bluff range at this point?

[furo]

yea c/c makes no sense

[gwsanche]

i agree with those who don't like the sizing,

i would personally bet 2.1k otf, 4.2k ott. there would be 17,565 in the pot going into the river and we would have 13.5k behind. much easier to check/decide, probably fold.