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08-22-2016 , 09:23 AM
PPC Event #1 $75 Bankroll Builder Live Tourney
Low buy-in, large field tourney with unlimited rebuys
20 minute blinds, field is relatively short throughout the tournament
Blinds 200/400, 50 ante
V (MP): 48k (120BB) mid 20s, big stack at table, currently on a heater
H (SB): 18k (45BB) mid 20s, only shown down 2 hands in contested pots. A big bluff and the nuts

Preflop: Hero is SB with AA
3 folds, V opens for 2150 (5.5x while his typical is around 2.5x)
5 folds, H reraises to 6500, 1 fold, V tank calls

Flop: (13,900) 27Q
H checks, V checks

Turn: (13,900) T
H checks, V bets 3000, H quickly calls the small bet

River: (19,900) 5
H checks, V quickly looks at chips and bets 4500 (H has 8500 remaining)
H tanks. V is dead-still staring into space.
Hero ???

Would you have played any street differently? Is this a profitable call? 21BB if I fold, 10BB if I call and I'm wrong, 82BB if I call and am correct. I think its borderline so I acted on my reads. Mainly just want a few outside opinions. Thanks
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08-22-2016 , 10:21 AM
I bet/fold flop against most opponents to get value from hands like Qx and single clubs, and to keep your range uncapped. Most opponents at these stakes don't attack suited boards very aggressively without the Ac or maybe the Kc, IME. If I expect to get raised light and bet into very aggressively on this flop after I 3-bet pre, I don't mind the check/call line, but I think it's a mistake not to bet against most opponents.

As played I think the turn check/call when he bets small is pretty standard. I would fold river when he bets again, absent some sort of read that would suggest he bluffs small twice on 4-flush boards. But at these stakes most opponents are very unlikely to do that, IME. Given the price you're getting he doesn't have to bluff much to make a call correct, and folding is exploitable, but I play tournaments at these stakes a lot and I almost never see anyone take this sort of line as a bluff.

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08-22-2016 , 10:32 AM
The more I'm thinking about it I think the river is a call, if you're facing a thinking opponent. You likely would have bet flop with most of the clubs in your 3-bet range, and you should almost never have a small flush. So I actually like his line as a bluff or with a weak flush. The only flushes he could reasonably put you on here would be maybe something like JcJx or 10c10x, but even those should bet flop most of the time.

This is why I like to take a more aggressive line on the flop. Otherwise your hand becomes face up and you're left guessing in spots like this, where you're liable to make big mistakes and your opponent can play pretty perfectly.

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Last edited by GreatWhiteFish; 08-22-2016 at 10:38 AM.
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08-22-2016 , 10:46 AM
Can I bet/fold flop here when I have less than pot? I have 11.5 and pot is 13.9. How would I size that? I see myself getting raised here by single club hands, and it would be a mistake to fold to them. My thinking here was if I bet, I'd likely end up having to call a shove considering stack sizes and odds, which I didn't want to do. If I had more chips I'd be much more comfortable with bet/fold.

Bluffing small twice on a 4-flush board is a line I often take in these stakes with a fairly high level of success, but I agree not many people here would take this line as a bluff. That's why I put my decision to a read.
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08-22-2016 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 27Nuts
Can I bet/fold flop here when I have less than pot? I have 11.5 and pot is 13.9. How would I size that? I see myself getting raised here by single club hands, and it would be a mistake to fold to them. My thinking here was if I bet, I'd likely end up having to call a shove considering stack sizes and odds, which I didn't want to do. If I had more chips I'd be much more comfortable with bet/fold.

Bluffing small twice on a 4-flush board is a line I often take in these stakes with a fairly high level of success, but I agree not many people here would take this line as a bluff. That's why I put my decision to a read.
Sorry man, I'm kind of tired and missed the small SPR on my first read. Disregard what I said before. I would just push on the flop. You're too short to get away if he has a flush, and you can still get called by a lot of hands you're ahead of, like Qx and single club hands.
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08-22-2016 , 12:33 PM
With his strange open, I'd have given my pf raise some serious contemplation of being the "all in" variety.
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08-22-2016 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Beachman42
With his strange open, I'd have given my pf raise some serious contemplation of being the "all in" variety.
That's a good point. Considering I read him being strong by his raise sizing, it would make sense to believe he would call an all-in, especially since an all-in should look weaker than the 3x 3bet i put in. I wanted action so I didn't shove, but I think that was flawed thinking.
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